GreenWoods

My Current Routine Thought I'd share, so you get a better idea how a more concrete routine can look like. However, I always end up making small changes on my routine daily, and big changes every couple of days, so there is nothing special about this current routine, just one random routine that seems to best fit me today. - Deliberate Sleep: 90 - 200 minutes These delta binaural beats darkness close to the SWS peak if it coincides with my tiredness - Sleep Yoga Session when not extremely tired: lying on a couch or sitting on a chair, head and arms resting on a table If on the couch, optionally hold arm(s) up, supported on elbow(s) FILD alarm clocks snooze every 10 minutes nootropics Either delta or theta binaural beats darkness To increase tiredness: reverse blinking and trance triggers - Sleep Yoga Session when very tired: sitting on a chair, head and arms resting on a table FILD alarm clocks snooze every 5 minutes nootropics gamma brainwave entrainment audio light on. Normal light or only red light, depends on the degree of tiredness

@electroBeam Thanks man! Your posts are the best stuff on the forum! I think, in the future this forum will be about how to get closer to these higher levels of consciousness in peak experiences as well as baseline consciousness, without overloading the body-mind, without doing mahasamadhi. The human body-mind has a limit to how much consciousness it can sustain, beyond that it dies and you have mahasamadhi. I believe the game of the future will be about upgrading the body-mind to sustain more consciousness. This could surely be done through technologies like genetic modification, but I believe it's possible through meditation techniques as well. For example, when someone becomes a breatharian or stops aging, they had to reprogram the body-mind. A similiar reprogramming must be done to sustain these higher levels of consciousness.

Breatharianism is not stronger than psychedelics. It definitely gives your baseline consciousness a huge jump, but doesn't completely awaken you, far far from it. And it can't compare to psychedelics when it comes to peak experiences. These two are breatharians: If someone is interested in learning how to make a gradual transition over the course of many years, read the book " the Food of the Gods" by Jasmuheen, it's the best book on the topic.

@Adamq8

@Chimera Do self inquiry. That's the most basic practice. What is this sense of "I AM"? Meditate on that " I AMness". Where do you end up? At a seperate self or God?

These things would be possible if the ego were God. When Leo says "You are God", he means You, God. And not the ego. The ego is an illusion. God-Realization should always be balanced with no-self realization. Whether this body/mind can jump 10 feet high or not, depends on what God is imagining right now. But just because this body/mind would like to jump 10 feet high, God doesn't suddenly imagine that. God will imagine it when God imagines it (and God does at some point, given the nature of Infinity), and when God doesn't, God doesn't. Any preference of the body/mind doesn't have much impact on that. If there is a desire to jump 10 feet high, observe it closely. Is it the desire of the body/mind or of God? To know God's desire, look at the present moment, what is actual? All that doesn't mean a body/mind can't perform miracles. If it learns how 'creation' or 'manifestation' works it can do it. In that case, God is imagining that the body/mind learns the skill to be able to do it. But really, the miracle isn't performed BY the body/mind, the miracle just IS. Imagined by God.

It's twice the dose lol. And it might not be a linear increase. I don't have much experience with psychedelics, though. I've only taken them twice: 8 and 20 g of wet truffles. The 8 g just gave me some mild oneness. On the 20 g the universe collapsed on the peak. No body, no room, no universe, no memory. I've actually been thinking that I was just unconscious, because I had no recall of it after the trip, only half a year later, suddenly a very tiny memory of it surfaced. Too subtle to be sure whether it is a real memory or not. Anyways, after the peak, memories of having been a human slowly appeared and they made no sense at all during the first minutes. So yeah I guess the 20 g were like 10× as intense as the 8g. So be careful with doubling your dose. And mushrooms are not LSD. Leo wrote some weeks ago something on the lines of that 4 g of dried mushrooms would bring him to the brink of insanity. So if you are fearful of a heroic dose then don't just double the dose lol. What's the issue with increasing the dose by 1 g every time? that's already playing with fire. I believe if I had taken 15g instead of 20 g, it might have turned hellish. So yes, more surrender can happen with higher doses. But if it doesn't, you are totally fucked. I was exremely lucky. The 20g were so heavy, they left no room for resistance. But that was pure luck. I have trouble breathing for long periods as well. For me, it's mainly because too little happens within the first 30 minutes as that it could make up for the amount of willpower you need to keep breathing. Therefore I do a more intense version. Breathing in to the belly, breathing in to the chest, breathing out. Like Wim Hof explains. But I do it as deeply and quickly as I can. After around 40 breaths I have moderate tingly sensations in my hands. After 100 breaths they are crampy and it gets very painful. At that point I either decrease the intensity or do a breath hold and then start over again. The breathholds can eventually get very trippy. If anyone wants to try this version, be careful. No Leo, Wim Hof or any responsible person would recommend it. All the bad side effects are far more likely to happen that way.

Bur you aren't planing to jump from 3 g right to 5-6 g, right? Did you have more than 3g sometime in the past already? You mentioned the purpose of feeling inro tension and emotions and letting it go. Did you try shamanic breathing? Being able to do that feeling-in and letting go during shamanic breathing, might better translate into a baseline skill than doing it on psychedelics . But granted, psychedelics are far more reliable to get you to that place in the first place.

@Corey11 I recommend you add self imquiry / contemplation. This is crucial imo. Just as important as meditation. (or even more important). Self inquiry has 2 parts: see the illsuion of no self. "These Exercises" are extremely good for that put attention on your true Self This is how contemplation works: Once you are more advanced, these 2 tools are most powerful: Psychedelics Sleep Yoga and Dream Yoga (5-MeO-DMT in lucid dreams) More tools: Kriya yoga transmissions shamanic breathing dark room retreat masturbation / sex float tank Devotion and surrender fasting

Oh. yes, you are right. I didn't give that post much thought. I assume it might work something like this: If you go into the forest and gather some mushrooms and the police sees you, then this is probably 0 problem if you take them home, eat too much of them and end up calling the ambulance, you are in trouble And growing them at your home might also be not legal Probably always depends on the country.

I just had another idea for a "Mind Awake" tool: A continuous vibration alarm to keep you awake. - Options: Bed Shaker Vibrator. You can put it below the pillow or put your hand on it. Or put in on your stomach. There are several on amazon.com . On amazon.de I could find only one from the brand Mesqool. Just bought it. Wristband. This seems the only plausible one, on Amazon.com: CoolFire Vibrating Alarm Clock - Silent Alarm Wristband Or use your phone. But I guess the vibratons are too weak. - How to use: Just let it constantly vibrate. You use it as a kind of anchor to retain some consciousness. And it makes it harder to fall asleep. So in that regard it has similiar effects as for example sleeping while sitting. So in order for your body to fall asleep nevertheless, you just need to be more tired. They usually also have normal noise alarm options but you can turn them off Make sure the device is capable of continuously vibrating and doesn't automatically turn itself off after 1 minute or so.

Sleep Yoga Everything I wrote here in this thread can work, but is way too weak. In order to learn sleep yoga (which results in: 2h lucid dreaming + 6h Void meditation each night) check out this thread: Particularly the post of the "Refined Technique". This technique is not only key for sleep yoga, but also if you are just interested in astral projection or WILD.

If you do enough research you will probably find psychedelic plants which naturally grow in your country and thus are legal.

Yes for sure: Do a dark room retreat for 2-6 weeks (results in natural DMT) release + hard core DMT breathing practices (see on youtube). A few weeks ago I did a very intense version of shamanic breathing for around 40 minutes. I also was on day 3 of a dark room retreat. I saw faint but very noticiable DMT imagery and and a very bright light appeared, which I believe could have turned into the tunnel if I breathed for longer. On the breathhold, my consciousness altered so much that I was sure the universe would have collapsed and I would have been in that void without body or anything (only temporary, definitely not mahasamadhi), or at least had an very intense OBE, if I had breathed for longer. (The DMT imagery and the white light was thanks to the dark room retreat, but the altered state of consciousness was purely due to the breathing, I believe.) You can also do fasting during a dark room retreat (also produces DMT) to really supercharge it. Or get good at having OBEs and try to visist them from there. Taking NN, DMT results in an OBE. These OBEs are usually different from normal OBEs because of the DMT. You would have to be a very experienced OBE traveler for that though, otherwise it is likely that you just see imaginad rather than the 'real' dmt entities. Though it really makes no difference either way. To have OBEs, read that post . If you have good intuition, you can just try to communicate with them telepathically. But this is very subtle and has a high likelihood of bsing yourself

Sadhguru did some more crazy stuff that resulted in more than just some grey hairs. "I almost aged 25 years in 8 months time".

This post is life changing. I'm utterly speechless

I just had the idea of float tank sharing. For example, 4 people share the costs and each one gets the tank 3 months every year. - The value of having it only for 3 months You either want to have a float tank to use it long term, or to use short term to achieve a goal and then you don't need it anymore. For example, I'm interested in sleep yoga (= being conscious during sleep). For that you must stay conscious while your body falls asleep (and then remain conscious). In terms of float tank sharing, 3 months of intensively using the float tank + applying sleep yoga techniques from my thread " Sleep Yoga: Conscious During Sleep (Guide) " , might be enough to get good enough at the sleep yoga skill that you don't need the tank anymore. In case that works, you would from then on have 2 hours of lucid dreaming each day + 6 hours of being conscious during light and deep sleep which is a damn deep meditative state. Himalayan yogis level. And in that case the tank would be needed only once, thus it could be shared among more people and the costs for each person reduced further. In that case even a more expensive float tank could be considered. Apart from that, you could of course use it for any float-tank purpose, like deep meditation or lucid dream induction. You could regard the 3 months like a retreat. And perhaps do an actual retreat within that period as well. - Costs A high quality float tank costs over $5 000. But one for $2 000 will do as well, I guess. If 4 people share it, each only pays $500. Additionally there are monthy maintainance costs of around $50 and salt costs around $500 every 1-2 years. The salt could be shipped to the other people as well, or each person buys his/her own salt, whatever is prefered. For example the Zen Float Tent costs $ 2 200 and is very portable, so shipping costs would probably be relatively low. It says: "Easy to ship, easy to move. The Zen Float Tent can be shipped anywhere around the world in two small boxes. If you ever have to move or relocate, it's easy to drain the water, disassemble, and move with you." https://zenfloatco.com/learn-more-tent The value of having your own float tank is that you can use it every day (and at any time of the day, including the night!) for as long as you want. That would quickly get very expensive if you go somewhere each time. I'm proposing the idea not necessarily in terms of actualizing now, but as a general possibility for any actualizers now or in the future. What do you guys think of the idea?

Levanah Bdolak

Refined Technique The first post was a bit all over the place. This post gets more to the core of the issue. And contains more tricks. So, what we want is that the body falls asleep while the mind stays awake. That means we need tools that make the body as tired as possible and the mind as alert/attentive as possible. 1. Mind Awake Do these tools during your sleep yoga session: - 1.1 Water Shock The basic idea: hold a bottle of water in such a way that it is comfortable enough to fall asleep but if you do fall asleep, you will get wet, which snaps you awake. You want the punishment to be as uncomfortable as possible. Thus you not only have a strong conscious but also a strong subconscious motivation to retain some consciousness (so the water doesn't spill over you). use cold water. Put some bottles of water into the fridge. Use that water to refill your sleep yoga bottle. Put ice cubs into your sleep yoga bottle as well hold the bottle in such a way that the water will spill over your stomach. That's where you least want it So keep your stomach naked Make sure it is warm enough for that reason. Also because you might be too lazy to change clothes and bedsheets every time you spill ice water. You can put some plastic over your bedsheet use any kind of vessel that can hold water: glass, bottle etc. Tape a crumpled up sheet of paper below the bottom of the glass, so that it can't stand. it takes some time to figure out how to hold the bottle so that it is still comfortable enough to fall asleep. Yet in such a way that the bottle will actually spill water if you lose consciousness. If that is too weak, lie in your bath tube with a whole bucked of ice water threatening you. The water shock technique also has the effect that you won't do it half-heartedly. Too often when doing the hold-up-your-hand-at-elbow technique, I'm being too half-hearted about it and fall asleep. And the mere falling down of my hand usually isn't enough to wake me up. Often, I actually put the hand down semi-consciously because I wanted to sleep. Ain't gonna happen with a bottle of water. Waking up to ice water splashing on your naked stomach really sucks when you are sleep deprived. - 1.2 Sleep Sitting starting with the easiest: inclined position with back and neck support resting your head and arms on a table. The way you sleep/slept during school classes only back support meditation posture - 1.3 FILD As described in the first post. Combining FILD with the water shock technique can be a really good idea. FILD can be done with one or two fingers with which you touch the bottle of water. FILD results in even more attention in that hand/bottle area. - 1.4 Nootropics Been too stupid to notice that possibility. I usually am no big fan of nootropics because I don't want to rely on them long-term. But for sleep yoga purposes, it is only short term. Once you have the skill, you can stop taking them. The purpose of the nootropics is to increase your attention, alertness, wakefulness and concentration. I haven't done a lot of research yet but I bought: caffeine. You can use capsulses or cup of coffee. As you desire L-Theanine. If you take caffeine, it is a good idea to take L-Theanine as well. It prevents some of coffeines adverse effects and both somewhat synergize. 5-HTP. There are many reddit reports of 5-HTP resulting in sleep paralysis. ( perhaps 5-HTP should be listed under "Body-Tired tools" idk. And some say you should be careful with 5-HTP health-wise) Huperzine-A. Galantamine is more powerful. but it isn't really legal in Germany I will also use lucid dreaming supplements/nootropics I bought some time ago. I have Dream Leaf and Lucid Esc. I also considered buying Choline Bitartrate I bought the coffeine capsulses today. The rest I will get next week. There are quite some reddit reports of nootropics resulting in experiencing sleep paralysis. Some nootropics like caffeine make it hard to sleep, therefore we need to be very tired (or sleep deprived) to balance that out (takin L-Theanine might do the trick as well). When you are so tired that your body can fall asleep while on caffeine, that's when it gets interesting. Do your research whether you can combine your nootropics. I still gotta research that myself as well. - 1.5 Alarm clocks As described in the first post. Mainly as a means of waking you up if you lose consciousness. -1.6 Anchors As described in the first post. - 1.7 Wake up triggers Meant to wake you up if you lose consciousness. hold your arm up. supported by your ellbow on the mattress sleep sitting without head support water punishment alarm clocks - 1.8 Uncomfortable position sitting on the floor weird positions of your feet and arms holding an arm up, or holding a glass of water bath tube be creative - 1.9 Light Sleeping with lights on makes you more alert and results in light sleep. So you can leave some lights on during your sleep yoga sessions. normal light or red light, as you see fit. -1.10 Brainwave entrainment Anything above 12 Hz should work. - 1.11 Noise As mentioned in the first post. 2. Body Tired Tools that result in a tired body: - 2.1 Sleep Deprivation That's probably the most heavy variable in your sleep-yoga success equation. Just being tired can work as well, but being sleep deprived is necessary if you choose to do some of the more hard-core tools to keep your mind alert. your possibilities: 4-6 hours of sleep and then your sleep yoga practice. You can do a WBTB if you want. And you can do the segemented sleep schedule I wrote about in the first post. But I don't think it is necessary at all. The only real sleep you shall get is a 90 minute or 3h segment. For your SWS needs. If you want to optimize that (which is not necessary) it can be helpful if you do it close to your SWS peak, are in the dark, and use delta binaural beats. The only sleep you get is when you accidentally fall asleep (and are woken up by an alarm clock some minutes later) No sleep at all. I don't recommend doing it longer than 30-50 hours. But it depends on what "Mind Awake" tools you want to use. You can of course try sleep yoga during that time, but have alarm clocks that wake you up in case you lose consciousness. -2.2 Reverse Blinking As mentioned in the first post. - 2.3 Trance As mentioned in the first post. - 2.4 Melatonin Darkness before and during your sleep yoga session. (I don't really notice much of an effect though) Melatonin supplements. ( I don't take them) - 2.5 Binaural Beats Listening to them during your sleep yoga practice. Anything below 8 Hz is fine. But I notice a stronger effect if it's below 4 Hz. - 2.6 Food Food can be a wake up cue. So don't eat during the 1-2 hours before your sleep yoga session. But eating a (large) meal also makes you tired, so you could eat before your session. 3. Other tricks - 3.1 Dark Room Retreat After enough days in the dark, you are closer to the awake/asleep threshold, which makes sleep yoga a lot easier. 2 Weeks ago I tried to do that at home. On day 7 I woke up to a light, which ruined and ended the retreat. It somehow must have turned on itself. If a ever do it again, I will take out the light bulbs in advance. In any case, I didn't feel much of an effect on sleep yoga. I think that would have taken some more days. But perhaps it was because I had some tiny light accidents within the first 4 days. Like one time when I opened a can of beans there was a very smal burst of light due to the friction of the metal. After these accidents I became extremely careful, like wearing my sleep mask almost during any major movement I did. If you do a dark room retreat, definitely do some DMT breathing, that was fun. If you want to supercharge your DMT, also do fasting. When you fast you produce more melatonin and DMT. If you are a very dedicated student and have the opportunity, you could actually do a dark room retreat for 1-2 months + sleep yoga techniques. If you are diligent, you probably manage it by then. Once you are conscious during sleep, solidify your skill and then very gradually (over the course of 1-3 weeks) introduce back the light. Gradually so you keep the sleep yoga skill. Enlightenment within 4 months. - 3.2 Float Tank Sleep Yoga is also easier if you are in a float tank. If you want to buy one but it's too expensive, perhaps you could manage it that way: How about using the float tank during a dark room retreat? 4. Conclusion Experiment and combine whatever tools you like. Sometimes they contradict each other, like lights out vs lights on. So just experiment. The more hardcore your "Mind Awake" Tools are, the more "Body Tired" Tools you need to balance it out. Like a pair of scales. And the farther apart the two scales are, the more powerful your technique becomes. Mind Awake Tools > Body Tired Tools = body can't fall asleep Mind Awake Tools < Body Tired Tools = you fall asleep and lose consciousness My progress hasn't been as expected. Mainly because I practiced far less diligently than expected. The reason is, that my sober awakenings are getting quite deep lately. This decreases the motivation to do these hardcore techniques which have no impact now but yield benefits in an imagined future. But mainly it's been, because my favourite way to contemplate is while lying down, and that ruins my sleep deprivation (which is crucial for sleep yoga) because I often fall asleep without having set alarms, because I don't care about that during my contemplations. But I gotta keep the long term horizon, so yeah I think I will practise with more diligence from now on.

Thanks for the kind words

@electroBeam This is how I've been conceptualizing it: - Awakening What people talk about on here. It has many degrees. - Full Awakening This is what I believe people like Krishna and Babaji had. If someone puts a gun to your head, it makes 0 difference. So if some devices were screening your body, they would show data that is exactly the same as before. All the way till the bullet hits you. (I agree that no one on the forum has that level of awakening) Yet the body/mind can still function, make survivial decisions and there is not total dementia. If someone put a gun to your head and said "you decide" then you probably decide for not being shot. You are able to do mahasamadhi instantly at any moment So basically physical death is 100% honestly accepted, yet, in most cases, physical death is avoided, and the game continued. For no reason other than playing the game for it's own sake. That decision is already gaming yourself but you do it for the sake of gaming. The assumptions I made are: It is possible to be so awake that you 100% honestly accepted physical death. Yet, it is possible, that this doesn't necessarily mean you physically die. That means it is possible to continue the game. So the assumption is that making decisions like eating when you are hungry can happen, even when physical death is honestly 100% accepted. living like that is possible even without full dementia - FULL AWAKENING Mahasamadhi So these were my assumptions before reading in this thread. You say, this is bs. What I labeled "Full Awakening" is bs. The assumptions made are bs. Only actual mahasamadhi is real awakening. Do I understand what you are saying?

There is no "alive". I was using that word for the sake of conversation. Peace

Why do you keep insisting that I seriously believe in these stories? God is God. Imagining these stories makes no difference. And as I mentioned, without imagining some of them, the James123 body/mind wouldn't be 'alive'. For You, illusion doesn't go on. There never was one. But the body/mind keeps acting to some extend as though there is illusion. Which is fine, because You aren't the body/mind. Yes

"Exist" is a concept, so yes I agree, "existence" is stripped away. Yet, there are still appearances (even if they are not real or exist). Raw appearences remain. Yet really, these raw appearances are no different from mahasamadhi. Mahasamadhi isn't less empty, as it can't get any emptier. So I guess in that regard we agree. But even though THIS right now is ultimately no different from mahasamadhi, there is still some relative/illusory value in imagining the concept of mahasamadhi. The value is for survival. Survival is of course an illusion so that concept is illusion as well, but that applies to all concepts/projections you imagine, and you do imagine many, otherwise 'you' wouldn't be here writing posts but long have starved or died in a different way. So why are concepts of paying the bills fine, yet mahasamdhi isn't? And the concept of mahasamadhi is important for survival, otherwise accidental mahasamadhi will eventually occur (which is of course 100% fine). Yes, I should have written "deconstruct the illusion of reality". But yeah I know even that isn't precise. Ultimately, there is no illusion to deconstruct. What is considered as "illusion" (or "projection" onto 'raw existence') is itsellf just pure God. I agree.