Gili Trawangan

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I mean prior to time and space. Dimensionless. The absolute.

I don't have much to say, except to point out that both these questions assume the existence of real time. Infinity, if you want to call it that, is that which is prior to time and space and yet apparently gives rise to them. The mind can't get it. It's miraculous, it makes no logical sense.

The one who finds existence to be overrated will cease to exist, don't worry

You are searching for a mechanism, which is understandable, but there actually isn't one. Now that's an incredible realization, when you realize that everything is absolutely direct - no how, no mechanism. Just direct manifestation, nothing behind the scenes.

Tough questions that I wouldn't ask myself, personally. The answer that comes to mind is that I have no understanding of compassion and that it's not at all important in my life. But these are misleading answers. What that means is that I don't try to understand compassion at all, it simply arises from a deeper place, and I don't build my sense of self with any thoughts of compassion or how I am compassionate or how I need more of it in life. I can conjure up those thoughts right now, but don't find them useful. Because what I am is Love. It's not a choice to be compassionate, not really. One is compassionate to the extent that there isn't a veiling of truth happening in the moment. When ego isn't in the way, the natural response is to love, understand others, meet them where they're at, use love, wisdom and understanding to the best of one's ability and share love, wisdom and understanding with others. That's it. There isn't an agenda to become more compassionate, it just happens. Like I said, that word isn't even a big part of my vocabulary for some reason. But if right now I start conjuring up images of "my life", it could be said that there is definitely a deepening of compassion happening as time progresses. I guess one could say that embodiment of truth is proportionate to the level of compassion. But I can't stress this enough, I don't think it comes from a pre-planned decision "I shall be more compassionate", it's simply a byproduct of understanding - not intellectually - what reality is.

This is a story - a thought. No truth whatsoever to it. Just notice the energy behind some of your messages here. I mean, it's ok, no problem, anybody can get contracted into ego and try to defend a position. That's what ego does. It's wise though to notice that and realign. Letting go of thoughts - now that's some spiritual shit right there

That's precisely it, these are just thoughts. Here's a key insight: no thought is ever absolutely true. It can't. A thought is finite whereas reality is infinite. The mind - thought - can never make sense of it. All you can do is let go of thoughts in the moment, particularly those that don't feel good. No thought is absolutely true, so why grab on to the ones that feel awful?

Isn't it quite obvious that they're full of shit? Solipsism is not truth. Obviously. Obviously. Though @Forza21has since realized that he was mistaken... good for him.

@Consilience I understand what you mean and I agree. I was just pointing out that there are no conditions for happiness now - grieving can occur (it has for me personally very recently) but I don't see it as a requirement for right relationship with God. Yes, it's a paradox, both ideas can be held together. Fair enough. I had to look up the terms Arahant and Bodhisattva because I didn't remember what they meant, but you seem to have guessed right. Buddhahood doesn't feel like it's in the cards for me. It is for you though, and that's fantastic. Anyway, I sincerely hope you continue to post, I for one would love to hear more about your experiences. You are one of maybe a dozen members here that actually provides food for thought - at least for me. Your insights come from a deeper place than merely intellect, and in many ways the work you're doing is admirable.

Thanks for sharing. Clearly, this is the right path for you, the passion comes through in the writing. And I agree with much of what you say. But... This doesn't resonate with me. If there's something that awakening has shown me, is that happiness is available now. Full happiness, completeness. The world is maya. One doesn't have to grieve it, one must only become aware of how the world is insubstantial. Suffering is simply illusion. To be in right relationship with God, one must only align with what is already. Joy, gratitude, acceptance, happiness, these are alignment and "right" relationship with God. That's how I see it anyway. Best of luck for the rest of your journey.

I'm all alone as God too, yay!

You're very welcome

I mean that when you or I - or Leo - say that we've had an awakening, strictly speaking that's just not true. If you want to speak truth with no concessions, then there simply isn't a past or a future or even a present. There's no time, there's only the absolute. Nothing has ever happened. I do admit to being triggered by hypocrisy: yes, people nitpick what Leo says but he does the same with other teachers, Rupert Spira being a prime example. And Rupert communicates truth with a lot more nuance than Leo, not to mention the huge gap in the level of embodiment. Happy to hear this. All I want is for this place to become more welcoming, open-minded, nuanced and inclusive of more perspectives. You might not like it, but here we go again, because this is where confusion easily arises... "the only one that can awaken" is misleading... so is "you are God". I mean, who is the "you" that can be God? There isn't one... there is only God/Love/Reality. It's not a someone, a you or a me that it could be. It's not localized anywhere, it's not behind the eyes, it doesn't have a POV, it's nothing. This is the realization that is missing, if not from the direct experience of most who are on this forum, then at least from the communication that takes place here on a daily basis. Amen to that. We can all continue to learn and grow

And Leo talks about his awakenings in the past. These have the same existence as other minds, none. There isn't a past. Therefore the conclusion is that Leo is not awake? By the way, Rupert Spira says exactly this, that other people's thoughts and feelings are on a par with our own thoughts and feelings from the past. They are not actual, but it could be said, as a concession, that they have existence. And he's right. Where is people's sense of nuance? Leo says an obvious flat out ridiculous - and hypocritical - statement such as "Rupert Spira is not awake" or the more obviously egoic and equally ridiculous "I am the most awakened in history" (or something like that) and there's actually people who buy it... To unpack all of the silly statements that pass for truth around here would be a full time job...

That user has not awoken. It's a clear example of the ego co-opting whatever experience happened and claiming to be God. Riddled with concepts and ideas, a parroting of Leo's words, verbatim. It's clear as day. It's a perfect example of how poorly truth is being communicated here.

It's implied. "Solipsism as God", that's what it implies. I'm glad you're aware of this. In that case, why use a word which is CLEARLY causing a lot of confusion? I'm talking about solipsism. People are even writing suicidal posts around here, scared that they are all alone. Notice that this word only started to infest the forum because Leo used it. And pretty soon everyone started to use it. It's like a virus around here, why contribute to the spreading of it?

Same thing. God is NOT a self. Solipsism as God or absolute solipsism is nonsensical and terribly misleading. That's why the ancients called it non-duality. Not two. They were extremely careful not to call it "one", because one is easily turned into an object by the mind - a self - and leads to thoughts like solipsism. It should be obvious by now that the way truth is being communicated around here is causing more trouble than helping. And people are doubling down on it. @Tim R that's a fantastic post and it should be a sticky.

Nothing that happens is against God's Will. There is only God's will. The accounts of the horror you read around the forum are not awakening. They are thoughts about a remembered experience of awakening, usually spun with webs of concepts, tales of being all alone, etc. which is a story that happens to fit the current (unfortunate) narrative of this forum. These stories are reinforced around here, but they all miss the boundlessness and total freedom of reality. They all miss the simplicity of the fact that there isn't a self anywhere to be found - it only appears that way - and therefore literally no problems. Reality is so unbelievably perfect that each timeless moment is forever fresh and new. Awakening, here, has been blissful beyond words. It's Love, how much better can it get? It's only when you hold on to thoughts that feel bad - believing them and not noticing that you are believing them - that a problem arises.

Great post, thanks for sharing.

The only one who wants to be special is the ego. You are not special. Your body/mind is not worth more than all other body/minds. Another way of putting it is: the more God you become the less special you are.

@Inliytened1 That was an absurd ban. I don't even feel like explaining why; just take a deep breath, re-read the comments and then unban that user, he offers a useful, well thought-out and needed perspective here. It's ok to make mistakes, but what's even better is to acknowledge them, letting go of our ego.

Very nicely put.

Let me put it this way, they didn't go until I stopped obsessing about them. I had to learn how to keep going, how to have a good life despite my health problems. Only when I was genuinely not bothered about them anymore did they leave me. When I wasn't even thinking about them anymore. You say you can't see the lesson yet... the lesson is acceptance. I'm talking about genuine acceptance, not fake acceptance (when you pretend to accept something just so you can get rid of it). Like I said, you're very young and it's normal for you to not have developed this type of acceptance yet. By all means, try to solve the problem. But also, learn to be happy despite having problems. Again, challenges are a part of life.

@Spence94 Oh my mistake then.