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Also, I have to point out to @Leo Gura in his blog this statement: 'It's a shame that Destiny let JP get away with such trash.'. If you consider Jordan Peterson disqualified for making this Nazi/conservative ahistorical, associating Nazis as a left-far left ideology, does that also cover Destiny as well? Seems Destiny is buddying up with Nick Fuentes, a neo nazi. Should this also disqualify Destiny as well as Jordan?

@OBEler Have you made this thread in response to this blog? https://www.actualized.org/insights/fyi-hitler-was-a-conservative

@OBEler Not to mention borrowed a bit from Buddhism and spiritual traditions, the windmill symbol for peace they took, even from Judaism's Kabbalah and qlippoth they took As well, so I agree argumentatively this is a false dichotomy and false dilemma being set here.

@OBEler I actually agree with your takes here, as argumentatively this: @Leo Gura Is a weak argument to make. So much ad hominems, judgments, obfuscations, appeals to authority and popularity, red herrings, slippery slopes, and a few other fallacies that an arguer can break down into several sub arguments. That being said, when it goes from argumentation into reality, it's both complex and combinatory with other factors involved. But in argumentation it's weak and has some performative contradictions.

I guess lack of engagement = engagement of lackluster users.

@Nivsch Few questions here are: Did they coerce/blackmail/intimidate Ohad Merlin into saying that? And how much bribery went to him? Also what kind of name is Ohad Merlin??? MERLIN????😭😂🤦‍♀️

@Davino But you're first paragraph is just an appeals to possibilities and averages. Just because Sadhguru has a lack of self love doesn't necessarily mean that his overworking, over dosing on pain killers/sedatives is a direct effect from Self Love. You can have some individuals who have self love, but are still addicted to pills, overworking, or eat too much. An increase in self love/=/change in behaviors, it's actually the intent and overtime habitual application of a change in behavior. The problem with your second paragraph is on that analogy which doesn't make sense to me, that I have to be the car or me and my car is separate doesn't necessarily mean a change in behavior. Plus this is a sub argument involving philosophy and existence which I'm not engaging with. Third paragraph is deeply problematic, from confirmation bias of Leo's spiritual work, to cherry picking the nature of god, to assuming so much about god's nature. Again I don't want to dive too deeply into this spiritual and philosophical jargon here, but you're also basically making an ad hominem fallacy, not guilty by association but treating Leo as some saint, and assuming that he is right in his talks about psychedelics and the nature of god. You're are basically in this argument point letting most of the heavy lifting be done by Leo and not by your own argumentation to justify your past assertion about Sadhguru and his health condition. So to you this: 'I took a very careful approach from the beggining and took my time to arrive independentely to a deep understanding of the situation. Take the position you want, I'll also do the same.' justifies 70% of posts you did here demeaning Sadhguru and his health condition, and 30% is you appealing to centrism and both siding this issue? Is that a careful understanding of this situation? Or most readers here are misinterpreting your self-love because of your failures to define those terms and your mistakes to connect them to a convincing assertion about Sadhguru and his health conditions? Maybe it's more to do with how you communicated so far in this thread and how you handled opposition to your views?

@Nivsch Only HAMMAs? So this means that IDF were fighting HAMMAs men, women, children? Including unarmed Gazans too?

Seems like a solid case for when a minority is over represented as a majority.

I also did a few body language analysis on Destiny's take of this situation:

A cover on Destiny again, body language analysis of these 2 clips. I'm an ex fan of Destiny and have seen his content for more than several years so I have a great knowledge of his baseline, and when he's lying, deceiving, performing, and moments when he's telling the truth or being genuine: https://x.com/realnikohouse/status/1772350983357542611?s=20 This one is interesting. Some moments of furrowed brow(concentration/feeling frustrated, likely he was focusing) a few eyebrow flashes(emphasis, feeling surprise, and social approval seeking), and around 1 minute in you see a BIG nose rubbing(rubbing/touching/scratching nose is indicative of feeling uncomfortable, anxiety or uncertainty, likely it's anxiety of what he's saying here). https://x.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1772449510976885031?s=20 This is Destiny trying to confirm and elaborate that the first 1 or so clip was just him baiting in pro Palestinians. Interestingly you see him do a posture shift/modal shift(if we're feeling so defensive, stressful, uncomfortable, anxious, adjusting our posture, sitting position, body position in a big way like this indicated he was feeling uncomfortable and defensive about trying to bait the other side into clipping him out of context). Intuitively I feel like these are him farming drama and public outrage yet again for content.

@Karmadhi Now the main problem with that statement is it's too general. 'No country on the planet should trust any of the big powers.' is too general and as an argument against big powers it's not definite enough, hence it'll be a weak argument as there's not definition for what a country is, or a planet is. Also 'should trust' is now a moral/ethical argument. Therefore 'No country on the planet should trust the Americans.', is still a much better assertion and claim for John Mearsheimer's argument and case against the USA, there's still some weak and moderate areas in his argumentation to work on or for the arguer to attack logically, but it's not so vague anymore than the other title OP suggested.

Some perspectives from the other side:

@Leo Gura, @Carl-Richard, @Thought Art, @OBEler please remind everyone here it's a news thread and not a debate thread? I'm like seeing several Israel threads here and they all turn into the same heated drama discourse just like the locked one. Even my own thread which is about sharing documentaries was getting hostile.

@Karmadhi True, both Zionism and Nazism are similar, that's no accident it is such. The more ethnocentric and nationalistic a group is and the vision is like Zionism/Nazism, the more likely racist, fascist and xenophobic behavior is normalized. Especially with Zionism they get away with so much BS because of the espionage and connections with governments and even Hollywood.

@Karmadhi This is factually true given the events before the Al Nakba, there's no denying the increase of immigration by European Zionists into West Bank and Gaza, and other areas occupied by Palestinians before. It's clear enough from the history there was a 100 years ethnic cleansing going on in the area. Biggest issue for any peace making attempt, is how does a group or society deal with the mass trauma dump being dealt to Palestinians by the Israelis ruling Zionists in that area? Without addressing that collective trauma in a deep and meaningful way, there'll always be a defensive and hateful attitude by Palestinians towards some Israelis and especially racist xenophobic Zionists.

@Razard86 From sunk cost fallacy, to mind reading, to projecting, to ad hominem, and generalizing, and making false equivalences and false dilemmas, what point are you trying to make here? Is your main point that Sadhguru overworked and took too many pills and ignored his health issues, or that regardless of himself overworking that he's a guru and yogi, a spiritually gifted person so he'll heal far quicker? Also why are you making a false conflation between judging and discernment? Those words are both different AND similar in meaning, so why are you cherry picking the words meanings here?

@Davino I'm not going into philosophical domains here. I'm just pointing out your logic here, that Sadhguru's lack of self love is a consequence of too much selflessness towards others, and him overworking and taking pills, according to your argument here. And you sometimes slippery slope and switcheroo between lack of self love to taking too much pills/overworking. I understand you making a hypothetical that I'm not some car or body and I'm some souls here, but I won't engage with that. I'm more interested in your framing of Sadhguru and his situation, and how some users here extremify to either ends here. If it's true this is 'how god would actually manage his own life', albeit so many hidden assumptions in that statement alone, if that's true then why did you your earlier posts took a more aggressive stance against Sadhguru and his situation? Why did you allow yourself this sunk cost fallacy and over commit to it? A more stronger and careful take would've been to state your position, state Sadhuru's situation with more care and not take sides too strongly, that you should've stated how this is a spectrum of spirituality/health that must be actively balanced.

@Breakingthewall So using your logic, if it's true that 'Remembering grievances from 100 years ago that were not even like that is living in hatred and you can see the result now.' then is it reasonable to tell the Jews to stop remembering the holocaust and dreaming about a Judeo empire? Or the Germans of today to stop making it mandatory for education to over emphasize WW1 and WW2 when the Nazis taken over? Keep in mind much of the Al Nakba is also top secret by Israel, so because it's top secret and not that much consensus is there, justifies Zionism of today? Also what's your source for the other version that before the port of Hayfa was built very few people lived there?

@Yimpa I find it's so tiring with these Chat GPT like programs giving an answer using some power of 3 pattern, they can clearly keep on listing more of the risks and benefits than just a triple.

@Davino Alright, so you think it's his lack of self love. You now factor in over working, 'willing to involve himself to death', and disliked very much that he took painkillers and sedatives to just numb the pain...so if this is true, then would it be more accurate for you to say him taking painkillers/sedatives too much, and overworking too much has contributed towards his brain hemorrhage far more than his apparent lack of 'self love'? Never stated I found self love or lack of self love, and even overworking honorable. Also you raised a good point here: 'He did it out of integrity for others but lacked the integrity towards oneself and his own health.'. Are you saying that Sadhguru is too selfless, and should have been more selfish enough to care about himself more than others around him? The main issue here really is too much selflessness and not enough selfishness?