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@Karmadhi The urban area that connected to Jerusalem is an Israeli consensus as it is already a dense and highly populated area and there is no rationality in now destroying it in a case of an agreement.

An experience of survival does not depend on an objective technological advantage you have. It happens for both sides of the border. Anxiety and depression in developed countries aren't less common than in third world ones.

@Schahin Surely those voices aren't rare these days in Israel, but this is one part of the picture. The demonstrations weren't nationalistic. They were for ending the war and bringing back the hostages, against Netanyahu and for the protection of liberal democracy. Since Jan 2023, every week, by many thousands, for two years.

@Raze The vote was about the city of Ma'ale Adumim (Red Ascent) which is part of the settlement blocs - a broadly consensual area near Jerusalem that basically forms a continuous urban zone and only slightly crosses the Green Line or the 67 line. I think Netanyahu tries to provoke the Americans on one of his attempts to collapse the deal but I'm not sure yet if that is the reason for this vote. I am cheking this.

https://x.com/Idaneretz/status/1981430227587781000

https://x.com/TomerPersico/status/1981310032609194207

I want to invite you to follow daily and check past and present Israeli liberal parties leaders - Center and leftward - mainly with Google about Two state solution or 'separation from the Palestinians' which is pretty much the same. Or negotiations or political agreement with the Palestinians. They have shown quite a good support over the years but really check it also yourself from 2010 until 2023 to see their root positions, before the trauma that didn't necessarily change their stance but made it harder to make declaration due to this issue's temporal sensitivity. Ask me again whenever you need of course but if you do that you will understand much more than whatever you will hear from me in a single message. I recommend you to try 🙂 https://x.com/yairgolan1 https://x.com/yairlapid https://x.com/gantzbe https://x.com/MeravMichaeli https://x.com/GabbayAvi https://x.com/zehavagalon https://x.com/Tzipi_Livni https://x.com/tamarzandberg https://x.com/KahlonMoshe

@Schahin You are right about the current leadership.

Yes, always only one side of the equation. A mystical evil that happened only to one side 😉

I add Right wing tweets not to show agreement with them but to display through them the multi-dimensional character of Israeli society. All from Oct 20-21. https://x.com/mennyassyag/status/1980562856492880171

Next chapter - the pendulum will move to the Right 🏰⛲️

I need to correct my earlier comment because I think he does seek the destruction of Israel. What I agreed with before was about the religious roots of its actions. Seeing what he is doing right now to Gazans is enough to understand that the cruelty of hamas goes far beyond his relation to Israel.

Security belt (perimeter) of couple of KM like in south Lebanon. Best defense, minimum harm to soldiers and civilians in both sides of the border. This government wants venganeace. There is no rationality in what happening in Gaza. Just untreated trauma that far-right fundamentalists lack the capacity to process except by projecting it outside.

I think the most realistic strategy is to let each sector to do what it wants without this exhausting inner war. We won't change anyone. We need to normalize a culture of sub-states or provinces that have more authorities by their own. Demand your group's right to do what they want and declare you won't try to change anyone else. Its like a social norm we have do develop. Then it will be easier to legalize it too. Paradoxically unity inside the country will improve when sectors are no longer feel threatened by each other.

Agree but you don't have to participate with that and sacrifice your 18yo kids because of that. If you want to keep your sanity focus on a secured border, precise operations from air when needed limited to armed combatants to avoid as much as possible civilians harm, and disrupting its funding and logistical network.

I have started to feel that because there is so much anger toward Israel these days, maybe I opened this thread too early. After thinking about it more, I decided to keep it, but to make a stronger effort to present voices from both the Right and the Left as equally as possible to really show all facets and present the picture as close to reality as possible. If any post here triggers you, please feel free to bring it up. I will gladly reconsider if necessary, but I truly believe it is possible to reflect the fundamental inner conflict in my country with a fair amount of objectivity and empathy.

When did it start? And how were you before that?

@Lyubov I understand your pain. Without a nuanced view there cannot be justice to anyone.

But when you surrender their language their drag you to their level.

An in-depth interview with Eden Golan, for those who seek to truly know her and go beyond the stigmas and political baggage 🌱🎑

Aryeh Deri's Ultra orthodox party: Shas 11 mandates out of 120 = 9% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shas Spiral Dynamics: 🔵 1. Shas, unlike UTJ, acts more pragmatically and is often willing to bridge and cooperate with other parties. However its pragmatism is still utalitarian and not value-based, so it does not represent the true orange stage in the spiral. 2. Shas is more liberal and more heart-centered towards the weak sectors in society, therefore I would give it a bit of green in the margins 15%. 3. In contrast, United Torah Judaism is one of the clearest examples of an absolutistic worldview, which is linked in the seperate note dedicated to that party.

@zazen You can't measure moral development by a single topic, important as it may be, especially when it is your fresh trauma topic.

Cantonization and decentralization.

@Leo Gura Not only that Palestinians are being arrested without real trial in hunderds every year and basically are powerless in front of a techonologically advance country that uses this power against them. It is also backed by an unhealthy preserving mechanism that uses mind manipulations in order to keep this happening, and above all that came Netanyahu who uses his charisma for many years to tighten this problem even more making it a full painful and frustrating consciousness prison, So I get you here.