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When Awakening occurs there is no longer a self concerned whether it's distracted or not.... everything becomes just what it is free. There Is No Agenda that needs to be met. there's not a lot of other good non-duality forums out there... this is the best I've found... thanks to leo. I was going to mention that Jim Newman will be doing a free Zoom meeting in about an hour if you're interested... if you Google Jim Newman simply-this ...you will find all the details. Here's a great video from David bohm discussing a little bit about what we talked about. He used to work with j krishnamurti. Take care bro ❤

He is essentially talking about letting go or dropping all the concepts and beliefs we hold about things. See when we believe we already know what something is it can block the truth of what it truly is from being recognized. It's kind of like hitting a reset button on what we believe to be true, and recognizing how often our minds project, label, misinterpret and try to put everything in a box and check it off is understood, when actually in truth we really don't know. Our minds try to take a short cut in processing information by assuming it knows what things are by labeling or giving it a name so it can quickly move on to the next piece of data to process.

What is the difference between egoic love and unconditional love?

This is a great video of someone who's experienced the falling away of the separate sense of 'self'/ego/ "I"

The Experience feels real until it dies and then it's recognized it never was. ❤

@WelcometoReality nice ?

you're a good guy and I understand what you're saying ❤ Just pointing to the fact that if you look closer you may come to realize that these concepts and beliefs that are being identified with as true self or (*the real you* as God/Consciousness/Love) thoughts are not transcended mind thoughts, they're just regular good old-fashioned thoughts being identified with as 'MY' thoughts. ❤

❤ absolutely Hey bro have you ever heard of David Bohm... he used to work with Einstein and J Krishnamurti and a lot of other greats. He was a rebel scientist. ?

Me and Leo's reaction when 18 year olds are asking about the meaning of life.

I think you have some very definite ideas of what happens to awareness and I'd like to know what they are...?

I know ...love it ❤

For the Love of Pete why do you want to have a disagreement with a beloved master that's says something as sweet as this... disagree with Trump or Hillary or the garbage man that breaks glass all over your street ...something like that...?

Well let's take it one step at a time you crazy turkish party man hehe jk ❤. Not every one gets the psilocybin opportunity you had hehe. Although the Brazilian kabenzi's my hippie buddies were growing in the Pacific Northwest back in the day had me surfing on Noah's Ark for a while in the mountains. And some of the finest liquid LSD dropped in my mouth killed the ego/monkey mind for over 8 hours... Needless to say there was an early recognition in my late teens that suggested there was more to life than the minds limited perspective lol. ❤

The only Heaven / Paradise possible is the complete Freedom and unconditional love for THIS that arises as a consequence of the disidentification with the habitual conditioned thought patterns that seem to arise for the illusory separate individual. ❤

Well let's not just talk about it...lets take a looksie. what is your so-called transcended mind conscious of exactly? Wait let me guess, exactly what everybody else is conscious of. You look in the mirror and you see a body, you look outside and see trees bushes flowers buildings Etc, you look at your hand and see four fingers and a thumb. So what exactly have you transcended? Nothing because there's nothing actually to transcend. You believe you are awake and have transcended so-called ordinary consciousness. You are caught in the dream or Maya illusion of the self. This dream is finite and it will go on perpetuating its own illusory existence until it collapses or the body/mind/vehicle/Avatar for this illusion to take place dies. Plain and simple. It's correct to say that nothing dies because nothing was actually living. But it's ridiculous to presume that something that never was, continues on after the death of the body mind organism. Row row row your boat gently down the stream merrily merrily merrily merrily life is but a dream.

Well you're very welcome my friend... yes self enquiry and introspection can be very helpful. I remember now you talkin about those Palm flipping exercise you perv LOL. ❤

There's no individual here that knows this. But what's recognized after Awakening is that the experience of the separate individual inside the body is an illusion... as in it's not actually happening at all. Boundless Infinite Energy being boundless can localize itself inside the body and create the illusory experience of a separate individual. When Awakening occurs this boundless contracted localized energy melts back into the boundlessness of everything from whence it came.

Are you saying you just used me for sex you bastard... ? Lol there's nothing wrong with meditation.

Oneness or non-duality is always the case whether there's consciousness of it or not. That's like saying if a duck doesn't recognize its part of the entire flock then it's not the case.... or if a wave isn't aware that its the ocean then it's not the case.... or if a person in a coma isn't directly conscious that they're part of existence then it isn't the case. It's still the case whether it's recognized or not hence why it's called Awakening. Hence why it's been called "a lifting of the Veil" It's always the case it's just whether you have eyes to see it or not. "The separation never occurred" -- A Course in Miracles

"His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?" Jesus said, "It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'Here it is' or 'There it is'. Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and people do not see it." -- Gospel of Thomas

It will be completely lights out.... you won't even know that you ever existed because you actually don't already... it's Maya illusion of the self. The awareness is just part of the illusion. Go no further than thinking about getting knocked out in a boxing match, or being gassed before surgery, or being face down blackout drunk. Sure there is an occasional subconscious dream or thought because the body is still alive and functioning. But when you die it's completely lights out... there's no awareness or Consciousness that keeps on living eternally because it wasn't real to begin with. When people use that ridiculous awareness thing... ask them a few questions like what are you aware of other than what the body is directly observing right now... there's not awareness of what's happening at your neighbor's house, there's not awareness of what's happening at a sushi restaurant in Okinawa Japan. So awareness is just what's actually being observed or thought at this very moment by the body/mind organism nothing more nothing less. When the body/mind organism dies the illusion of awareness goes with it. Don't take my word for it look for yourself. ❤

Nothing goes on... because nothing is really happening now. But shhhh...don't tell the sense of self that, it thinks it's the center of the universe and very important.

That still sounds like the dream or at least a misunderstanding. It sounds like subtle dualism using non-dual phrasing and words. Basically if there is still a belief that there is a separate someone or something experiencing these happenings and taking ownership of them ...that's the dream. Because what's being said is the 'self' is what's being directly experienced by the body. For example you're not aware of what the neighbors are smelling right now you're not aware of what's happening in Madrid Spain at the supermarket. There's only awareness of that particular body/mind organisms experience, whether that be touch taste smell sight sound or the dream story. So if you want to claim that the you is just the experience of one body mind organism that's fine.... it's what's being experienced there. It's just not at all what this communication is pointing to.