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Duality collapses with the recognition there never was a "you" or "another". So in a sense it doesn't even collapse, it's recognized as having never been. And then it's just Everything happening for No One. or Freedom/Paradise/Enlightenment Liberation/Nirvana ❤

Essentially their communication is that apparent existence is a real and unreal experience simultaneously. Real in the sense that it's what's apparently happening. Unreal in the sense that the experiencer is an illusion, and thus making that which it experiences unreal. An illusory dreamer experiencing an illusory experience. ❤

I agree with what you said and I think Jim would too.

Oh gotcha....yep its unknowable, and totally can't help trying to know. Attempting to find something that was never missing or looking for the invisible needle in the haystack.... the sometimes unfunny cosmic joke. ❤ ?

@Moksha love that, you are a good guy to have around the forum ❤ Now if I can just convince you that the singular consciousness theory is just another deeply conditioned belief within the dream story, my life's work will be complete ? Hehe totally joking bro...enjoy reading your loving comments ❤

The word Consciousness implies there is someone or something that is aware and conscious of everything. Jim points to the deep recognition that the very thing that believes itself to be conscious and aware whether it's consciousness itself or the separate seeker is a completely illusory experience/the dream.

If "you're" interested there's also Richard Sylvester, Lisa Cairns, Tim Cliss, Kenneth Madden, and Rose Roes who also discuss this communication rather well.

? oh yeah it's completely radical... Jim calls it Anarchy sometimes. This communication takes the ideas of meaning, purpose and value and throws it out the window and makes Reality and Truth completely not applicable theories at best.

Its paradoxical ❤

I have yet to meet anyone that isn't all over this spiral in some way shape or form. Placing a center of gravity for oneself in this model is merely perspectival and simply doesn't hold up under close scrutiny. Spiral Dynamics is pointing to everything exactly the way it is.

It seems to elude the "seeker" by simply being everything.

I wonder if it would still feel like no distance if someone told you to now run after the car and catch it?

it's a coping mechanism of the mind to create some kind of order and logical sense from what it experiences. It places things in a box checks it off as understood and moves on to the next box to check off. In that sense it's basic and complex simultaneously.

I believe the picture is from Eckhart Tolle The Power of Now.. but not positive. I printed it off a couple years ago and keep it in my truck. The quote was from this video ❤

"The Greatest Obstacle to Discovery Is Not Ignorance—It Is the Illusion of Knowledge" - Daniel J. Boorstin The biggest issue is thinking "you" understand and know what is being looked for. The very idea of what you're looking for hides it.(hence the importance of emptying the glass) Enlightenment is not a gaining, attainment or achievement. It's not something you arrive at one day with enough diligent spiritual practice, it's the crumbling away of untruth and the disentangling from the socially conditioned Mind Matrix experienced as the "sense of self".

Like ? ❤

"The greatest minds in human history have often pointed to levels of thought beyond the limited self structure. Einstein said “The true measure of a human being is determined primarily by the measure and sense in which he has attained liberation from the self.” So it’s not that thinking and the existence of the self is bad, thinking is a wonderful tool when the mind is in service to the heart. In Vedanta it is said that the mind makes a good servant but a poor master. The ego perpetually filters reality through language and labels, and is constantly judging. Preferring one thing over another. When the mind and senses are your master, they will create endless suffering, endless craving and aversion, locking us into the matrix of thinking" -- Samadhi (Maya illusion of the self)

@Raptorsin7 ❤

This is where you have to look for yourself and be your own judge. Do these culturally conditioned perspectives and narratives hold up under close scrutiny. After all if you were born in Kuwait for example, you would have a different name and a completely different set of perspectives and narratives, beliefs etc... When the sense of "self" is recognized to be no more than culturally conditioned thoughts identified with for the past 20 plus years it can get very wobbly and more fluid like than the solid entity once previously identified with. ❤

Eckhart Tolle has a lot of great stuff in this area.

Yeah I have an all glass dining room table it's pretty sweet... even the atoms and molecules are glass.

Thoughts are like the homeless cat that lives underneath your trailer. The more you feed it the more it keeps coming back. Don't get attached to that damn cat. ?

Yes everything is difficult to put into words especially when it ends up being nothing in the end....0. ? Its THIS!!