VeganAwake

There's not really a choice in the matter...the seeking either continues spiritually or materially. The trick is seeing for yourself there's nothing to find, no one to find it and that wholeness is already the case. But that requires first hand witnessing ? ❤

Well you could say it's a knowing the futility of thinking someone knows. Even Osho would make gnostic jokes from time to time mentioning how if anyone is creating such apparent meaningless suffering in the world...its the devil.

What if so-called Consciousness ended up being a concept of the mind?

Maybe subconsciously they know it's unknowable...

The conditioned thoughts are what seem to alter everything. And identification as my thoughts create the dream story. They place an overlay over top of THIS and judge everything from this self-centered conditioned experience.

Where is this you that will apparently merge? Can you put your finger on it? Or is you more of a thought?

Yeah it's quite radical and can be shocking. That which is concerned with death already isn't

Ahh thanks guys, happy holidays ❤

On the path until I died, searching endlessly far and wide, finding truth was the game of mine, super excited for what would I find, it seemed to be under my nose, externally seeking in all that arose, a whisper said maybe within, but I didn't know how to begin, Adya said its not something you gain, but the conditioning just couldn't refrain, he said its a falling away, a collapsing that can't be explained, so I let go of all that I was, it became light and flew like a dove, as I reached for something to grasp, I realized and started to laugh, this identity that I thought was mine, was merely a trick of the MIND.

The mindfuck is there isn't a real or illusory self. It's all just Mind Playing f*** f*** games. ?

Yes it's just conditioned responses that get triggered. Sometimes it helps to look into them a bit, but usually by giving the thoughts and emotions energy it keeps them coming back again and again.... sometimes it's best to just let them dwindle themselves out. ❤

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THIS is very good inquiry and I'm glad its being shared ❤ See we're both pointing to a fundamental misunderstanding or assumption that almost all humans find themselves in... the illusion of duality or separation. This illusory experience brings with it the feelings of lack and incompleteness( something's missing and I need to find it to make things whole). These futile attempts by the seeker to overcome these illusory experiences may look something like this: - becoming a gang member. - joining a religion or sect. - material possession infatuation. - striving for peace love and joy for all of humanity. - technological inventions and scientific discoveries. Either way the underlying misunderstanding of being a separate individual seems to hide the realization that perfection, paradise, completeness, wholeness and unconditional love is already the case. It seems like the apparent main differences in our experiences could be summed up this way: There: The Ultimate truth is we are all god/creator seemingly caught up in this dualistic play of life, and experiencing ourself in infinite ways to share love with ourself for eternity. Here: There isn't a 'you' period, not as god, creator, higher consciousness or anything else... complete non identification. See After Awakening or aka the disillusionment of 'self', it was clearly recognized that the very attempt to again identify as something, was merely a habitual subconscious last ditch effort of the ego mind program to sneak in the back door very low-key style and set up this illusory identification as the new and improved higher self to keep itself alive(Maya illusion of the self) This spiritual ego(for lack of better words) says see I'm good and very selfless, I'm all about love compassion and the reduction of suffering for all of mankind.... there's no reason to disidentify as me. This is what's referred to as painting or decorating the Prison Walls. See the ego is very cunning and clever... a shapeshifter sort a speak. The complete Freedom longed for lies in non-attachment/non identification which luckily happens to already be the case and merely needs to be recognized. ❤

And since the dream character in the dream story isn't real, why would the thoughts that say "the end goal of everything you're doing is sharing love to yourself" be taken as truth ?

It's the clear recognition by no one that the 'sense of self' or the 'ME' is a product of conditioned thinking...essentially an illusion. ❤

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The final awakening is the recognition there was never a "ME" or a "YOU" to awaken in the first place. But it has to be seen there. It's so obvious it seems hidden. ❤

So what is You? Thoughts might say its the body and all of its thoughts and conditioning. Thoughts might say its the soul within the body prior to thinking and conditioning. Thoughts might say You are the underlying and all-encompassing consciousness underneath the thinker. But wait, all of this is what? JUST more THINKING... What is actually there prior to thinking? The answer is an empty happening or meaningless creation, something and nothing, real and unreal, empty and full. See, it's actually empty of any real meaning purpose or value because only a thought can place those illusory concepts over top of THIS!! So the You is a product of thinking. Thought = You & You = Thought ❤

Yes, there's nothing to find or realize, THIS is it and its not going anywhere. The big empty full ?

No one, the thoughts just arise due to past conditioning and habitual patterns of identifying with them as 'MY' thoughts.

Once you land or settle on a belief you become bound in a sense and are no longer free. Its not that you actually become bound, but the mind has a tendency to continue building upon this belief system, and before you know it, it turns into your own prison. You then have to guard and defend this prison day in and day out. The very thing that you thought would help, turns into a prison sentence. Memoirs of an escapee ❤

By recognizing there isn't a "YOU" in which could be in an illusory prison.

I use ego, sense of self and the "ME" interchangeably. They are words pointing to the same illusion. The ego, ME, or sense of self... or whatever word used, cannot conceive of its own unreality because that would be its death or disillusionment. This illusion in a manner of speaking stays intact by identification AS it. So in a sense the very act of trying to get rid of it, subtly confirms its reality. So the first delusion of ME has to be seen through... after that everything else falls into place. ❤