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@Someone here Who is asking? & Who doesn't know? What is that?

The freedom is in the recognition that there was nothing that needed to be done in the beginning. Everything has already been whole complete & perfect all along. And it's that way because that's what's happening ❤

Watch them run around, rushing to the gym and grocery store. Listen to them giving there conditioned responses to the boss. Stop and notice everyone running the rat race lost in thought. There under a spell completely caught up and identified. Notice how their thoughts drag them around like slaves. Become a watcher. And watch your own conditioned patterns of thought arise. Where is it leading you? Why is it taking you there? Who is listening to it?

Also there's nothing wrong with anything including being drug around by thoughts.... because the only thing that would say there's something right or wrong with it is just another conditioned thought. This is why it's already Paradise it's already freedom. There isn't any way to be and there's nothing right or wrong with anything. This recognition is liberation ❤

I know what you mean and this is where it's hard to relate sometimes because after Awakening it's recognized the individual that believed it needed to be more conscious or improve its situation by doing Shadow work was never real in the first place and that whole thought of self-improvement dissolves or becomes not applicable. ❤

Yes sometimes you can hear something a hundred times, and then one day it's like a paradigm shift and it becomes understood from a different angle.... and it's like oh that's what was meant by that phrase. ❤

What truth are you talking about?

Well what's being pointed to, is that which thinks IT may be a factory cow in the next life is an illusory identification made possible by boundless energy. So that personalized ME within the body is not alive or dead, it actually never was real in the first place.

Nothing dies AND nothing goes on living because there already isn't a YOU. It's some kind of boundless smart energy that also has the ability to constrict itself creating an individual experience within the body.

It's the unconditioning of mind. The recognition that meaning purpose and value are mere learned illusory concepts/a conditioned thought process.

Good question and It's kind of a tough question...and I think it varies. Because helping could also include the identification with thought which often leads to suffering. And the inner desire to change these patterns. Here there was what seemed to be an about-face or 180 degree flip of the mind in on itself and a recognition that it just didn't know the answers. Later it almost seemed as if the thoughts recognized their own limitations and the futility of trying to know. Almost like a humble mind. Of course all of this is just a description of what seemed to have taken place here.... it's a wild ride ❤

Like Leo says "awareness alone is curative" Understanding this is the grace or unconditional love for humanity. We are born into conditioning plain and simple. Some move towards disentangling from the socially conditioned mind matrix known as the 'ME'. Others believe the answer is hidden in the tangle jungle up ahead. Either way it's all THIS and simply can't be missed ❤

? A nice steady underlying flow of peace regardless of external circumstance... but then again sometimes I like a little chaos lol.

Well it's kind of misleading. Enlightenment is beyond the typical ideas of happiness vs sadness. The constant grasping for pleasure and avoidance of pain is itself inner resistance. So in a sense it could be said Enlightenment is the acceptance of all emotions, and that acceptance is the peace of mind or the happiness which is longed for. Old Rupert would be better off just telling everybody it's the acceptance of all emotion not just happiness. And I'm sure he does somewhere ? ❤

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Absolutely and the resistance or internal struggle is what causes the suffering. When the resistance is dropped, the emotional response is greatly diminished. It's almost as if the thoughts themselves recognize the futility of judging situations as good or bad etc... The energy is diverted from its original habitual patterns. ❤

Be the Watcher of these emotions... no need to identify with them. Everything you said is completely normal.

Happy New Year brother, yes maybe some more of the me got out of the way. The love is unwavering and perfectly unconditional ❤

What's This All About? Starting at the beginning, what is advaita , Robert? "Advaita (Sankrit) means “not two”; it is the teaching we call nonduality. We all know what duality is—the idea that there are two or more things that exist, such as me and you. Nonduality is the realization, which occurs to some people, that beyond the appearance of separation all things are actually unified in an overarching actuality. This wholeness is called the Absolute, a condition which is infinite and eternal. All supposed separate things arise within it, because all things—not being eternal or infinite—are instead impermanent. So, the primal identity of both me and you is that our source is recognized to be the Absolute. When this realization is clearly held, our sense of being a separate individual dissolves into a deeper identity of Absolute wholeness. Getting to ajata, you’ve said that a person who’s had the realization of their identity as the Absolute is best in a position to understand ajata. What is ajata? Ajata (again Sanskrit) means “no origination,” or no creation. When something is said to have had no beginning (and thus no ending), we are getting into ajata. It is pointed to in a poem by Hui Neng: “When there is nothing from the start, where can dust alight?” It is a deeper look into advaita. In advaita, as a teaching tool, we speak of the relative (me and you) and the Absolute. Everyone knows what the relative is—me and you—but what exactly do we mean when we speak of the Absolute? Whatever we say about it boils down to concepts. These are appropriate for teaching Self-realization: but what actually goes beyond the concepts? Is this where sunyata comes in? Sunyata is another Sanskrit word; it means “emptiness.” Buddha’s teachings, over his lifetime, progressed from simple to sublime: the so-called wisdom teachings are principally the Heart Sutra and the Diamond Sutra. In the Heart Sutra are the six words, form is emptiness, emptiness is form. Emptiness is what ajata is talking about when it says that not anything has ever actually been created—or had existence—from the start. If not any thing has ever had actual existence, what do you have? Nothingness, or emptiness (though there would not be any thing to be empty of ). This is where ajata (there have been no real forms at all, from the beginning) and sunyata (emptiness is the only true or final condition, and even it does not “exist”) come together. In other words, as Nagarjuna has said, “Things do not arise, at any place, at any time.” Not even emptiness—which, being empty, is not a thing—exists alternative to forms: forms are emptiness; where there are no forms, emptiness is not something that “waits around.” Do forms arise in, or come from, emptiness? Forms generally are easy to understand. We are said to be forms. Because forms appear everywhere, our tendency is to think of emptiness as a form—another thing. Where the true condition is that emptiness is all there is, not anything exists as something called emptiness. In fact, since existence—“abiding” in some way—is not even in the equation, neither would the term nonexistence apply either. These—or any—designations are concepts about emptiness. But what is completely, utterly, totally empty is not the subject of description of any type. To emphasize the complete emptiness of emptiness, the writings on the subject point out that where emptiness is all that is, even emptiness would have to be empty of emptiness. So you must initially get that straight: emptiness is even empty of emptiness. Now, out of such a condition what could possibly come, or be arisen? Not anything can be generated by, or out of, 100% emptiness. Since emptiness is the “ultimate” condition, from the beginning, this is why it is said that there never has been origination or creation. So, the short answer is: forms are not forms, in reality: forms are emptiness. Forms do not exist, in truth. You said “we are forms.” Yes, to us creatures, forms do appear to exist. So, in the writings, forms are said to appear to exist, and in this case “exist” has a provisional meaning (emptiness does not appear to exist, because in truth it doesn’t). But every form is impermanent: every form is dependent on something—even forces such as “life” or “death”—for its existence. Not anything is a stand-alone, self-sufficient entity. If such a thing could come into existence, it would be permanent. It would not be subject to change: it would be immortal. So, in this sense, forms do not exist in any long-lasting, non-provisional way. This brings us to what appears: what appears to be real, or existent, is not the same as what is real or existent. A mirage appears to be real; a real source of quenching your thirst it is not. We appear (at least to ourselves) to be real. We are not: we are provisional—as are all other things—as mentioned previously. Our “existence” is in quotation marks: temporarily “real.” In fact, our true nature is emptiness—as are all things. When we as forms are not real, how real are any of the forms we perceive to be as real as we are? The world that we see only appears to be real? That is the point. In the writings, our existence, our world, is likened to a dream. You—whoever you think you are—are the dreamer of the dream. You are not outside of the dream, but within the dream. When the dream ends for you—when what you think of as “death” is present—the dream ends. “You” (which actually never was) disappear; everything you have thought existed disappears—the entire “universe,” with all its causes and forces. All forms are now purely emptiness, which they and the dreamer—despite appearances to the dreamer—have always been. Is it possible to awaken from, or to awaken to, the dream while still alive? Yes. That is what ajata and sunyata are telling us. When you recognize that this dream of life is your dream, and that dream and its dreamer have the same reality—that is, the lack of it—the “spell” has essentially been broken. What actually changes then? It’s simply a relaxed perspective on what’s apparently going on. In essence, we know that not anything is actually happening, in any unremedial or unredemptive sense. Life, suffering, joy and death appear to be happening (as the Bhagavad Gita says), cause and effect appear to be universal phenomena. But just as one does not wake up from a sleeping dream and take any of its events seriously, one no longer takes the supposed events of life as if they had any everlasting meaning. What about any meaning in understanding emptiness? That too does not matter. Whether one actually wakes up from the dream or not, the final ending of the dream for each of us will always be the same: the “presence” of sheer emptiness. None of us can ever make any “serious mistakes”: we, and all that we do or don’t do, are the same: empty of true reality or existence. I have only outlined some of the general points. If you believe that you exist and therefore have a mind, that mind will be bubbling with questions" -- Ajata Project Robert Wolfe

There isn't a you period. Just a bunch of conditioned thoughts identified with as the 'ME' character. When this is truly seen, that whole illusory self structure will start collapsing. Stop identifying with thoughts. There already isn't a you. You were never bound. This is the freedom longed for. ❤

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Yep, not knowing is the case regardless of thoughts about THIS!! ❤

Focus on the inhale and exhale during meditation. Don't resist thoughts but don't entertain them either... always return to focusing on the breath.

Hehe ? ❤ thx There is a conditioned body with all of the senses but its empty, as in there is no real 'you' inside of it. Thoughts arise but the self-centered experience as The Thinker is the illusory part.