VeganAwake

The seeking can kind of flip in on itself and ask who the f*** is this so-called seeker anyways? What's sometimes revealed can be quite shocking and simultaneously ordinary.

Which is also THIS...hehe Racking the brain and diligently seeking is just as much THIS as sitting on a beach enjoying a corona with lime. What a trip right ❤

Good looking out and that's actually a great thing to point out on a thread like this...❤ Yes absolutely, nothingness or emptiness can be turned into a concept or ideology to attach to, or into a form of detachment or denial. But that's not what's being pointed to here, what's being pointed to, transcends the idea of there even being an individual or a something that could cling or attach to a concept or belief. It's an attempt to slice through the illusion at its root. (identification as a separate individual)

Reminds me of an interview with Osho. Interviewer: What belief are you trying to convey to everyone. Osho: I don't hold beliefs I'm trying to get people to stop believing in beliefs, I'm trying to deprogram them. Interviewer: what about the belief in not having beliefs. Osho: It is not a belief, it cannot be a belief because it doesn't lead anywhere, it's simply leaves you empty, pure, no writing on you.

But that belief doesn't take you anywhere. There's no real meaning purpose or value behind it. Whether it's intelligently guided or not doesn't seem to matter in the sense that you don't know how many fingers I'm holding up behind my back or what the neighbor had for breakfast or what's happening at the Quickie Mart in Japan. The mind just incessantly goes in circles trying to figure THIS out and you end right back at THIS. If there is a discovery of other planets with habitable life-forms that's what's happening. If you discover there's a cosmic controller dictating everything that's what's happening. If you believe this is a computer program designed by complex alien species that's what's happening. Simply nothing matters absolutely nothing. It always ends up being just what it is. ❤

There seems to be a survival strategy engrained within biology such as cells, bacteria, plants, animals, humans struggling and strategizing or adapting for survival(survival instincts). But also look at natural disasters, for example what happened to the dinosaurs? There's evidence of giant floods thousands of years ago. Maybe a meteor did hit causing an ice age and choking off life. Who really knows right. Seems random here but what do I know.

Infinite energy being infinite can seem to localize in the body and feel like an important center point. This energy seems to be without agenda or meaning behind it. More like a runaway train. This energy seems to be real and unreal and completely unknowable ❤

Exactly!! ? They don't conceptualize it as 'lucky me' or give meaning to pleasure and life either. They just live. ❤

@justfortoday Be aware that ego is identification as this or that. Identification of the cause of suffering. Stay empty..... You will thank me later... ❤

The only logical thing that can be said about THIS is that it's unknowable. Everything else is a fairy tale ❤

No, but what seems to help is being empty of concepts about what awakening is, and a willingness or openness to do just that.

That's what's being experienced there, its whole complete and perfect.

It's interesting when the path of deconstruction is seemingly taken, it ends up right back where it began. Construction and deconstruction is an unreal experience occurring within the dream story of a separate individual moving through time and space.

Death is the biggest problem for the sense of self. ? When the body/mind dies, the ability of the illusions go as well. There won't even be the slightest inkling of existence. And I know that's the last thing the sense of self wants to hear. It will reject this message. ❤

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That's because Awakening isn't adopting some Guru's set of beliefs and sort of intellectually understanding it. It has to be seen clearly and first-hand that the individual seeking for fulfillment in the future is completely unreal. Who knows it? Who doesn't feel it? Who doesn't really get it? Where is that one located and what does it consist of? ❤

I gave an explanation and you apparently didn't resonate with it, and yes that's fine. The message wasn't trying to convince you of adopting any new beliefs. It was pointing out there was never a gap that needed to be filled in the first place. ❤

Exactly, this is a completely illogical message. It simply cannot be heard by the sense of self.

That's because the body with its senses is neither the tree or the dog. There IS apparent separation in that sense. Non-duality or Enlightenment is not about metaphorically smashing everything together into one entity or something weird like that. It is pointing to the recognition that the individual "I am" experienced within the body is an illusion. Thus making any real idea of separation non-applicable. (e.g. There can't be separation without two or more separate individuals). And yes even the concepts of enlightenment, union, non-duality or whatever else dissolve because they are clearly seen to be based within a dream story of a separate individual moving through time. It's freedom for No One. ❤

We are the aliens and yes we may indeed destroy our own existence. But there's nothing right or wrong with that, it would be quite interesting wouldn't you say. ❤

? Let it all go... even the idea of an immortal being that cannot be pointed to, but seems to exist outside of time and space. Let these deeply held beliefs go completely or rather see clearly there unreality. ❤

No need to cling on to all of this so-called acquired knowledge and experience.(not saying you are) The mind will twist and distort everything anyways until the original message or pointer is almost completely lost. Use them as stepping stones only. Follow your heart to feel authentic teachings. Not with the mind, but feel that what's being said is authentic. At some point there'll need to be a Trust so deep that you become the teachings themselves and the "I" is nowhere to be found. Then it may be recognized that there was never a Truth to be found or an individual in which could find it and know it. ❤

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