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I'm pretty sure Leo is referring to the part that says " if you get the message, hang up the phone" These arguments could go on forever but if you're not walking in that persons shoes, who would know. I used to drink like a fish and smoke some of the finest green that the Pacific Northwest and Canada had to offer... I also probably tripped on LSD 25 times and mushrooms maybe 10 between the ages of 16 and 19. I do not know if these substances assisted in my awakening or not. There was also at least 100 hours of meditation, 100's of watched actualized.org/YouTube videos, yoga, radical open-mindedness while simultaneously staying grounded, complete surrendering but knowing I would never give up. Maybe it assisted, maybe it didn't maybe it partially did. There's no real way of knowing, which I find quite interesting. All we can really do is report on these experiences.

Ask and ye shall receive...❤ thanks When I read this it completely reminded me of Osho... although I'm aware he was big on meditation. Anyone in tier-2 would recognize that Awakening can occur in traditional advaita, neo advaita and everything all encompassing... there's no prerequisites it's just something that apparently happens. Tony Parsons mentioned a drunk bum that awakened after a long night of partying and doing drugs. (of course you could say the drugs were a practice in itself) Anyone taking a left to right movement in these non dual descriptions would just be limiting themselves to one option. I've had a couple drinky-poo so I hope that makes sense? ?

What is Neo advaita?

@traveler nice one!! ❤ You're like my brother from another mother!! ?

Maybe what you call God is infinite energy appearing as form and formlessness, real and unreal, everything and nothing. Maybe you have never been apart from this Infinite energy, but you are constantly seeking to feel whole because you feel like you are apart from it. Maybe the constant seeking perpetuates the belief that you are not complete and whole already and keeps you seeking for something that was never lost. See if you recognize your already complete, there will be nothing left for the separate self to seek any longer... it will be out of a job... The separate self does not want to be out of a job, it wants to keep you on the hamster wheel running forever so it can survive. Does this sound familiar? ❤ maybe

"Comparison is the death of joy" - Mark Twain

@Robert Leavitt ❤

Seems like the Mind becomes a runaway train of thought after a while. Meditation helps to calm the Whirlwind and pathological thinking that actually distracts us from living in reality....❤ If I would have known early on in my life how powerful meditation was I would have started it when I was 12 haha....?

I really love this...thank you! It's truly amazing what can change in our lives when truth is held as the highest ❤ Our stories of seeking truth are very similar... there were a lot of things that didn't feel good discovering about myself. Then when I was deployed to Okinawa Japan with the Navy about a year-and-a-half ago something crazy happened. I started recognizing the whole story of 'me' was just a compilation of thoughts ideas beliefs and perceptions that I held/believed about myself. The 'me' character became flimsy and then it Fell Away. Basically my search for Truth was replaced with Being. It was recognized that Satisfyingly Being was what was ultimately longed-for the whole time. Thank you again for being open and sharing your story my friend... have a great day ?

Nicely said ❤

Great story thanks for sharing... that's awesome you recognized liberation ❤ I was curious did you happen to experience a falling away of the self structure? or was it recognized the story of "I" is an illusion? I also noticed you're from California and 3 years older than me... I don't find that very often on here ?

They seem to be having fun always laughing and joking around. Its a shocking and startling message that the individual never existed and any attempt to get rid of this illusory separate self by means of practices or self-inquiry is simply a futile attempt and can actually perpetuate the illusion of the separate individual... keep you running on the hamster wheel sorta speak. There is no where to go, and no one to get there. Its simply THIS ?

It's a radical message that is rejected by the individual. The individual doesn't like it because it has nothing for it, it explains the individual is the illusion or the problem itself.

There's still a conditioned human body that will turn its head when its name is called or jump out of the way of a train. The human body will still eat when it's hungry and decide to walk over and get a glass of water when it's thirsty. It will also jump out of the way if a snake tries to bite it in the leg. I know that their messages are radical and there's nothing there for the individual in fact the individual won't even hear their message. My advice would be to stay radically open-minded and recognize there is some truth in everybody's perspective. These guys do seem to take it a little extreme but I would also call it walking the walk. Survival is not dependent on an illusory ME manifesting inside of the body claiming it's in control of everything. The body will survive naturally whether the me thinks it's there or not. ❤

I wouldn't say their really talking shit lol, they are trying to describe the misunderstandings that other spiritual teachers often seem to overlook in their communication. For example: Staying in the present moment (Eckhart Tolle) Jim and Tony don't like this phrase because it sounds like something narrow. Why would you need to try to focus on staying in the present moment when all there is, IS THIS. Obviously their biggest disagreement with these other teachers is the belief that a separate individual can somehow obtain enlightenment through suffering, spiritual practices and self-inquiry. They point out the supposed separate individual is the illusion itself and that these practices can actually perpetuate the belief that there is a separate individual that can attain something called enlightenment. Tony Parsons is like the Godfather of these non-dual messages haha... I'm not sure about the whole neo-advaita stuff but I guess people can call it whatever they want ? Here is another guy you might be interested in ❤

Bravery is not exactly the word... it's more like faith. Have faith that when (Maya the illusion of self) falls away that everything will be just fine. There was a level of trust here that listened to the Enlightened Masters that came before explaining it's not a gaining, it's a falling away. When the self falls away everything is found. And it's simultaneously recognized the self never existed. ❤

See the tricky part about this work is recognizing the separate self is the only thing that wants this to happen. In reality everything is perfect whole and complete just the way it is... nothing needs to be done... everything is already done in fact it may have never started. The destruction of the planet is just as incredible as the thriving of it. There's no rules no boundaries no should or shouldn't's no prerequisites. Everything is as it is for what else could it be.. No thing need be done... it's party time or not either way is the way...?

Yes meditation was being used a lot here as well. Quieting the whirl wind of Mind or pathological thinking seemed key in a sense. At that time Leo's distraction the egos favorite defense mechanism video became quite helpful ❤

Goals can still arise they just don't feel personalized, like there's not an egoic self agenda driving the need any longer. Not that much changes in this sense... Im still going to finish my military career so I can support the family financially. Nothing needs to be done but why not make the world a better place...❤ Yes the separate self is seen as a fiction. What's left is a conditioned human body Being!

No problem ..yeah it's crazy all right and whatever path you choose is your Great Way ?

It's really interesting, it did seem like when I turned my external seeking energy inwards 180 degrees, it led to stumbling upon the realization that the 'ME' character was an illusion or a story that was bought into. But simultaneously it feels like it was just something that happened. Almost like when the fruit is ripe it falls from the tree... I'm still not fully convinced there's a path or a way that can lead to Awakening... All that is known for sure here is when (Maya the illusion of the self) fell away, a lot of strange things happened afterwards such as disentangling from social conditioning and also recognizing the separate self never actually existed and the whole thing was a sham... What a beautiful Wild Ride ❤

The thing is, there's no exact answer... my suffering in the military is allowing me to collect a retirement check after 20 years... I literally couldn't stand so much of it. But simultaneously it was challenging and I would not take back many of the experiences. Strange and beautiful things seem to happen around suffering. It may have even partially led to my Awakening. Follow your heart is number one..❤ "The Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences. When love and hate are both absent everything becomes clear and undisguised. Make the smallest distinction, however, and heaven and earth are set infinitely apart. If you wish to see the truth then hold no opinion for or against. The struggle of what one likes and what one dislikes is the disease of the mind" - Sengstan, Hsin Hsin Ming

Yes exactly... feelings still arise but they don't feel personal and they absolutely do not linger here whatsoever like they used to. So there is nothing here enjoying everything after enlightenment ? and these feelings are deeper and richer than ever.

? ❤ time for bonus points haha...