VeganAwake

That's okay bro, no need to apologize, you have some different interesting topics I like to comment on here and there often. What I'm saying is there isn't a someone there or here in which could get stuck. Thoughts or thinking can become fixated on certain topics and whatnot, but there isn't a you inside the body actually doing it, it just happens! I have the forum spirituality section as a short cut on my cell phone and that's also probably why I don't post/comment anywhere else 😅 I might check out some of these other forum topics 🤙thx for the mention. ❤️

The dream story or illusion refers to the way the sense of self lives in a world of meaning, purpose and value. Everything is important and matters! The Matrix or conditioned society would be another way of saying it ❤️

Ime...It's not the end of the physical body, it's the end of the personal identification as the body and thinker! It's like an internal recognition upon introspection that this needy ME character isn't actually there. There can sometimes seem to be an energetic release and or shift away from upholding this ME structure. But that's typically when it's illusory nature has been clearly seen through. ❤️

Very interesting explanation 👍 You could be the forum in-house psychologist!! ❤️

Hi there, ✌️❤️ my friend this kind of sounds like a subconscious avoidance of reality. I mean I totally get it, life can feel overwhelming and to in your face. Ime awakening is not about dropping everything or becoming a kind of meditating pacifist that resides in a permanent bliss state or whatever. Nor is it the dropping away of the self, or the end of habitually thinking! (And simultaneously it includes all of this as well) See, the phrase dropping away suggests that there is something that needs to happen for awakening to occur for a someone. That is obviously another conditioned thought right? Instead of thinking more.....look for the thinker all together. Go to the source if there is one 😉 Who is lost in the mind? Is there an actual experiencer(ME) lost in the mind, or is that just another thought/assumption? What does me consist of? ❤️

Yep it's a real debacle. If you believe "I am god", then there's no one else to validate any claims about apparent reality. And if you don't believe in god, there's still no one else to validate anything 🙄 It just becomes blatantly obvious that there just isn't an understandable or logical answer to the age old question of HOW & WHY? Just sit back, enjoy the show and let reality take charge. That's already what's happening anyways!!! 😂 ❤️

It's kind of like recognizing all there ever was is vacation or holiday but the illusion of self thought it had to be discovered, learned or earned. The self illusion IS the filter. It creates the dream story(matrix) within apparent reality. Every body that you see running around, is lost in there own filtered dream story. The stories are often similar like religion. Seeing all this clearly is the grace, is the enlightenment, is the freedom, is what's longed for. ❤️

Gotcha, Back in 2018 here it was like a disruption or starvation of energy to this self illusion. It was almost like it was backlashing and very irritable at times. It's just energy doing what energy does. But there's no one doing it. Very curious to see how you feel in the next couple months, keep us posted and thx 4 sharing 😊 ❤️

@Sugarcoat Hi there, That all sounds totally normal regarding awakening. It can feel like this for sometime, but it will fade or deflate eventually. As for that needy"sense of self", it will probably continue to dissolve but not from spiritual practice. It will probably dissolve on its own under the weight of recognizing it's not real!!! ❤️

Enlightenment is the end of the sticky "ME" character trying to attain it. For most that doesn't sit very well or sound appealing. ❤️

@rachMiel it's been said that striving for a healthy self is like decorating the prison walls. The sense of self IS the experience of separation and lack. It's motto is "seek but do not find" It only attempts to change when it believes that by doing so, it will have a better experience in the future. Its very needy & obviously self centered. There being a pure true self or higher self underneath the false self, is just an illusionary concept of the false self or ego. And the interesting part is that there's nothing to do about it because it's not real. 🤣 Essentially anywhere there is identification as a self or as a body, any action or thought naturally perpetuates the illusion. Like a self fulfilling prophecy!! That experience has been referred to as a psychosomatic misunderstanding in some circles. ❤️

Gotcha, What's being said is that identification as reality itself is a conceptual illusion or misunderstanding. It seems like there is a solid "someone here" But that entity was never there from the start. Emptiness! Not even void 😟 ❤️

Cult cabin fever? 😔 Yeah, he really did have an almost intoxicating vibe with his words or something. Agreed, there are some really great audiobooks of his also. ❤️

The story was of osho & his followers. One person doesn't create a community. For there to be a leader, there has to be followers and vice versa. I don't think there is one piece of that story that was just anyone's particular fault. There was nothing right or wrong with what osho and is followers attempted to do. And there was also nothing right or wrong with what the surrounding community did in response. It's just something that can happen in those wild territories Look what happened to the native americans! ❤️

Well undoubtedly we probably have some differences in what we mean when we use the word duality. There's duality in the sense that there's separate physical bodies, animals, rocks and trees, planets and solar systems. There are definitely different looking physical appearances within everything....THIS. The only thing that's completely illusory is that needy "sense of self", the "I" construct that feels like a separate individual either within the body or as the body or both. This illusory character endlessly seeks & packs on the spiritual onion layers of identification until it feels like the ultimate all-knowing spiritual gura 😉. But it's just spiritual ego in disguse as what some call the True or Higher Self. ❤️

Yep there's nothing that's not THIS. There's nothing missing or incomplete....nothing lacking. The ego can never except THIS completeness. It never becomes satisfied. It will constantly yurn for a better experience in the future. It places an illusory overlay of meaning, purpose and value overtop of reality and operates from its conditioned perspective. What to do: There's nothing to do because it isn't real. Like trying to get rid of a mirage....there's nothing there. THIS is already liberation, awakening, nirvana, samadhi, the kingdom of heaven. It can be recognized!!! ❤️

There's really no reason to fear life or death because there isn't anyone actually alive in the body in which could die. And yet repetitive feelings of fear can still seem to arise in the body, along with any other feelings/emotions. ❤️

The body is either alive or dead. The "sense of self" doesn't die because it's already not real. So there's nothing there in which could reincarnate. Emptiness!! Constricted energy seemingly being a separate someone....but it's maya an illusion of self! ❤️

Liberation is the end of that needy ME character trying to attain it. It's the end of that sticky self construct that's never satisfied. Liberation is already the case but the self illusion feeling seperate and lacking, goes on an endless mission to find wholeness within wholeness. ❤️

It's not that everything is you including the different bodies and their conditioning! Its that there isn't a real you or them inside the body between the eyes. It's an illusion of self. If there is still a someone claiming to be all of it, that is just the illusion of self... There isn't a you & there isn't a them. No separation in that sense Not because you are everything. But because you and them are not even real. ❤️

That so-called consciousness bubble is just the bodily senses coupled with the conditioned imagination. Nobody gets any spiritual cookies by just calling the everyday human experience, consciousness. This word is way overused on the forum! ❤️

If you won a lamborghini in the lottery, would you park it and study it for years first to figure out exactly how everything in that car works the way it does? Or would you get your best buddy in the passenger seat and take that mean machine for a cruise outside the city limits? Knowing is overrated! The "illusion of self" thinks that it can know reality. It literally believes that if it can understand reality, it will have some sort of special advantage. It doesn't, and the body will surely rot away like the rest. The illusion of self doesn't die because it was never real from the start. There is no higher power behind the scenes creating everything. No God no Satan no heaven or hell realms. These are all just stories created by scared humans that can't except death. Even calling reality intelligent makes no sense because there's nothing to compare it to. It just is simply what it is. The good news is nothing matters at all. Whether it's spent studying the lamborghini or driving the lamborghini or both....does not matter in any way at all! There's no one on this planet that has an answer because infinity can't be grasped by relativity, nor could it be logically understood or explained by any human. There can of course be endless educated guesses and theories which amount to a dog poop on the sidewalk 🤣 Knowing is guessing in other words ❤️

You are saying we are in the dark ages still, but compared to what? Imagined alien technological advancements? What i'm saying is, we are only wherever we are at. How can there be a real comparison when there's only: "where were at" ❤️

@MVPJOURNEY I also do not think there real, although they still seem to have an effect on the body. There real & unreal these feelings 🤔 Try swimming laps in a pool to burn excess energy, it stretches and relaxes the body also. It's the killer diller!!!!👊 Everything is already complete ❤️

Maybe just figure out being human first. Literally master being a human, whatever that means to you. And if God realization happens along the way, so be it! ❤️