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@Schahin From the absolute perspective - You are THAT prior to creator creation concepts.You are the source.The Absolute Infinite. Dont get lost in to the world.Dont get lost in to the concepts of creator creation. The world is nothing but names and forms projection of your mind. There is no world beyond your mind. No body knows the purpose of creation. Its all just word play. Even if there is a so called purpose for creation that realisation must be yours.Even if god comes and tell it you this is the reason I created thats not your realisation. Remember you are not God you are prior to God. The illusion types are said to be 1.Vishnu maya - The illusion of quest for knowledge about God.Creation powers. 2.Loka maya - The illusion of world and worldly illusions. 3.Yoga maya - The illusion of realisations due to various yogic practices. 4.Vidya Maya - The illusion of knowledge 5.Avidya Maya - The illusion of ignorance. All the illusions - knowledge how ever true from relative perspective thats not You.They are illusions.Drop them.Let go. Be free from all concepts.

@SQAAD No bodys answers are going to satisfy you unless it is directly experienced in your own experience. Choose a path which will give those insights.Not all the paths will give you those insights. But is it important to know that ? Enlightenment will not reveal anything about the creation and its mysteries,purpose of creation. The goal of life is to realize yourself and end the karmas and end the death - birth cycle of the (body).

@LucyKid why are you tellng your dad you are meditating you want to be spiritual etc.

@Schahin Dont get lost in trying to understand the creation - let go.Its beyond the scope of human mind.

@Leo Gura Dear Leo your words reminds me of teachings of krishna,Swami vivekananda etc. You are the creator of your own destinity.You are not just a human but immortal self with infinite potential is with in you.You need not seek anything outside.Selfless service to humanity selfless service to God. All that is fine. But you know all are unique but all are not equal.Conciousness may be infinite intelligence but the human body mind is not capable of having grasping the infinite intelligence. All human body minds are supposed to function with in the capabilities of what it came with. Self Realisation is not new but how many are self realised and how many are able to change the world in to a better place ? Do all have infinite knowledge money and in position of power circumstances health factors to change the world ? To put it simple even with in enlightened how many are with capacity of Shri Krishna,Swami Vivekananda or Leo ?

@Truth Addict what is a lie ? Everything you see think hear speak are lies isnt it ? Realisation insights god i am the creator I created everything is perfect fire doesnt burn Nature is not goverened by rules - all lies all illusions isnt it ????? Simple test for truth - if you are god create something out of nothing.Can you ?

@SQAAD words are used to point out something that cannot be pointed out.It is just word preferance.Thats it. Nisargadatta Maharaj says there is nothing like not knowing. It is neither being or non being it is neither awareness or conciousness.It is not emptiness or nothingness.It is not witness.It is not knowing or not knowing. Words doesnt matter.Whats important is go with in and once realization happens everything will become clear. The problem is reading the books and trying to understand the wordless with mind. Getting caught in the word game. So final advice emphasized is start the practice.Dont ask questions.Dont Read books.Dont read books.Dont read books. Dont read dont feed the mind. Dont have questions or doubts and be desireless. When doubts come enquire who is having the doubts ? ------------------------------ 1.Pranayama. 2.Japa or meditation. 3.Self Enquiry. ------------------------------

@pluto Conciousness is not born.The illusion I am the body mind is gone and I am the conciousness is realized. What is born and caught in the birth-death cycle is the karmic body.So some leave the body conciously. Altering DNA,astral travel by subtle body etc are yogic stuffs.kept mostly secret.

@Nahm ??? Thank you for your clarifications. Some I think I get it.some defenitely only after realisation.Keeping it open which I am yet to realize.

When I read traditional enlightenment books I see Absence of anger,hatred,greed,lust,fear,shame,guilt,tension. Peace,love,patience,tolerance etc. Most of these books are by monks they don't interact with the world except teachings.They are not house holders,they don't earn - money is provided to them. They don't work volunteers,workers do the work for them. Does enlightenment bring about all these necessary changes in the mind,personality or conditionings ? Or When these changes happen enlightenment is possible ? Or the changes are about emotional mastery and that's all together different subject ? But what about enlightened who are not monks but live as house holders ? Involved in job or business for living ? How enlightened people interact with people especially in work,when orders received and orders given by them to subordinates and not able to complete on time ,deadlines are imposed ? - meaning if enlightened people are free from all turmoils,tension,anger in all situations,conditions ? Or they too act like other unrealised humans ?

@Ones Thats not important.Just keep it open.only certain paths will give those insights.

@inFlow who is asking this ?

@zeroISinfinity @zeroISinfinity The teaching emphasied is that don't go after siddhis-powers.Its illusion deceptive.Any time one may slip.Even the enlightened.Though ego is destroyed.Mind is functional. People who fall are called Yoga-brashta. The teaching is annihilation of karma's.Not accumulating new karma's. Don't ask for anything - don't ask to remove suffering don't ask to remove disease don't ask for money power.Dont pray. Accept whatever comes. To end the cycle of birth-death is the goal. I was never interested in occult powers siddhis.But possible only in certain paths-traditions.Which is mostly kept secret and not available to the outside world. With out proper absolute Guru bhakthi and absolute purity and total selflessness and no traces of arrogance such practices will be never instructed.Only a qualified disciple will receive. I never believed Loa. Black magic is further more dangerous - don't even try even with good intentions.

@Inliytened1 Thats beautiful.Thanks for clarifying the confusion created as some say it is experience others it is not.

@Inliytened1 when you say i am awareness or nothing. Is awareness or nothing an experience? Does self enquiry take one to nirvikalpa samadhi where the absence of body,mind and sense of me vanishes and experience of the 1.no-self 2. nothingness Then the final enlightenment or realisation Experience of the awareness or existence or suchness or isness happens ? Please explain in detail. ???

@Schahin You are the whole but the secrets of the infinite creation or other dimensions of reality is not revealed to the tiny human mind.

Winterknight clearly said it is not no self and nothingness or emptiness.It is something beyond that which cannot be expressed in words.

@winterknight @Leo Gura Its very unfortunate that winterknight is leaving the forum. I dont know and cannot say anything whose version of teaching is correct. But why not let there be a slight difference of insight or what ever in the realisation.And why Leo is not able to accept a slight difference from his realisation ???

@winterknight The absolute is always unchanging and available in the three states. In waking and dream objects are there hence the confusions. But in deep sleep there are no objects but why unable to recognize it - suchness in deep sleep ? ???

@winterknight @winterknight Nirvikalpa samadhi is where body,mind,sense of me vanishes completely and awareness of awareness or self is realised. Contrary to leos claim form and formless are not seperate - the formless alone is realized.If they are not seperate then the formless can never be realised. Technically self enquiry is supposed to take one to Nirvikalpa Samadhi.isnt it ? Or in other words the ignorance of super imposition of body mind sense of me is removed in Nirvikalpa samadhi. Awareness of awareness happens only in Nirvikalpa samadhi. Or self enquiry doesnt lead to Nirvikalpa samadhi ???? Pls clarify ???

You cannot be hypnotised unless and untill you have a deep down inclination to be part of christianity.

@Finland3286 It is said there are three bodies Gross,subtle and karmic bodies.Only the yogis speak about this other paths doesnt speak about that.For now keep this question open. People of gnana path will discard this and will not ponder about this and move on.

@winterknight whats your take on Bhakthi yoga ? Love for God ? Prayer ? Various Bhavanas ? Why many saints emphasize that ? What does it mean there are many paths for reaching God? What's the importance of concentration practice ?-Meditation on particular object ? Why monks or realized say you are at beginning level or this level or that level etc ? Why monks read the books of what their Guru or founder of institutions book as part of their daily routine ? Why emphasize is given from mind - purification ? The long lengthy path or bottom up approach than the top down approach of self realisation first and then the purification of mind ? Or in short why renounciation-selfless service(karma yoga) and bhakthi yoga is emphasized more ? Is the hallmark of self realisation is completely emotionally stale ? ---------------------------------------- Karma yoga ----------------------------------------- How forgetful I am ???? Forget things where I kept an object or if I completed the task given completely. Do self realised get anger when (anger appear and shout and let go or anger doesn't appear at all or pretend to be angry) Do self realized are free from emotions when insulted - shamed - criticized or abused ? It's very difficult to be free from suffering when insulted ? Like wise occasional guilt ? Finding it difficult to get the work done from others with out getting anger-authority-impatience? When asked to do a work faster? Tension do arises? How to develop patience? When mundane tasks are given how to transcend or drop the inner resistance of mind ? ----------------------------------------- ???

@Gili Trawangan Deep sleep is not the absolute.If it so how did you know there was no person,body,world ? So there was awareness of the no experience during deep sleep.So Absolute or the awareness is always there always. In otherwords knowing (Awareness)is always there in Waking,dream,deep sleep. Or Awareness is aware of deep sleep. This is my understanding so for. But are you(Absolute) aware of yourself ? With out any objects-body,mind,person,i feeling in the waking state ? And why Awareness of Awareness is not happening in deep sleep ? But why it said to happen only during waking state ? So whats that I am not getting ?? @winterknight

@Salvijus @winterknight Dear winterknight my understanding so for is Self Enquiry is getting rid of sense of I am.Focussing on I am till it vanishes. Self Enquiry is getting rid of the identity. Neti Neti is the basic fundamental principle that the what ever perceived cannot be the perceiver. Self enquiry technique is based on this principle of Neti Neti or the perceived cannot be the perceiver. So what is this i am feeling ? Thats self enquiry - Now why self enquiry need to be done and why the I am sense must be annihilated ? (The body mind i thought i am) all are appearing in conciousness. So why it is important to get rid of I am feeling ? Or the yogis or meditators made it so complex ???? Like vedantins say there is no need of meditation no need of samadhi ? ??? -------------------------------------------------------