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And that is the main point here. We don't want to mislead students of the path.

If you want to say one is "enlightened" only after having ALL realizations that's fine. When we use the term enlightenent we are in the relative. I'm just stating that these are not experiences of the ego. There is a distinct difference.

@whoareyou this is independent of pyschedelics. My awakenings were without. And i don't think you are grasping this. You are not experiencing anything. You are dead. It is God awakening to himself. Can you make this distinction? You are no longer in the realm of the relative..instead you are in the realm of the Absolute.

@Umar_uk you are correct in that sense. But like i said that's not the case for the majority. I don't think he ever said you couldn't awaken without these methods but i could be wrong on that.

@whoareyou when you die and become God that is enlightenment. You as the ego are reborn and at a different level of consciousness. The old consciousness died. There is something new now. That is still enlightenment. The more this happens the deeper your enlightenment will get until you get to the highest levels of consciousness and realization. A feeling of liberation. But it is all One.

Yes once its seen. And you may be very spiritually gifted which is awesome - but the average person is going to require doing the practices to see through this dream for themselves. Although Consciousness definitely does grow with experience naturally. If what you said were true wouldn't the world be awake by now? God doesn't make it easy for most

@Rilles But what does the best you can mean? You said it right there. Doing the work the best you can means putting it front and center. Make sure you are taking the time to do the work - self inquiry, meditation. Because you can directly know for yourself - but you have to die for it.

Well you guys gotta remember when there is only One..and it is itself then it is both everything and nothing simultaneously

@InfinitePotential it's both of course. That's the paradoxical nature of reality. From your ego's perspective - the dualistic one - you are indeed creating your own reality by the decisions you make. Of course as we know free will or making your own reality is a duality. So from the non-dual perspective it is a boiling pot of pure potential containing every possibility that can possibly play out without actually playing it out. Being or formlessness. Absolute Infinity which i will not dare try to grasp from my vantage point

@Dylan Page it's now widely accepted that they can't be measured because they only exist as probabilities. Even Einstein couldn't dispute that although he originally tried. Not just subatomic particles but any particles. Larger items can be measured to better accuracy but still not to an infinitely accurate amount. There were still a few stragglers out there trying to figure out a way but they were dealt a serious blow in the 80s with additional experiments.

@Mikael89 @whoareyou guys...do the practices and you can become conscious of Oneness. Once this happens the obsessions with other gurus shall cease as they are all you.

Also i think you might be missing the whole point of the episode. The bottom line with what was discovered with Quantum physics is at the subatomic level, subatomic particles could not be measured. A physicist could measure the velocity or momentum, but not the position. Or they could measure the position but not the velocity. And the observer doing the measurement directly affected the measurement itself, skewing the results. It was then determined by the physicists that since something could not be measured it must be stated that what was trying to be measured must not exist. (Logical Positivism) . The two statements were identical. Therefore the electron only existed in a state of potential or possibility - to collapse into a particle only when observed.

@CreamCat yah you never know you don't want anyone else but you to have root access haha.

@Leo Gura which also means its the same as nothing.

Ofcourse not. Anything being said in this forum is dualistic. I don't know about these guys but i never claimed to be able to capture Absolute Infinity with language. it's ok to be dualistic, but be conscious that you are being dualistic. Thats the difference.

I think he means this metaphorically. Yes Infinity is prior to time. And its a strange loop because it was always there and not there simultaneously. But an easy way to verbalize it is to say it went back in time and created itself. But it actually is frozen in the sense that is prior to time and is and isn't simultaneously.

@rnd the idea of humans actually always existed. This question no longer exists when you become conscious that God/Infinity is absolutely everything. Every possible universe, every possible "being" already exists and is also nothing simultaneously.

@zeroISinfinity yes you discovered that you are God. You are awake. But even you as the ego is God. Its God being the Zeroinfinity possibility. There's no difference. If you are forever longing to collapse your ego into Being then you will never have full liberation in current form or perspective.

@Preetom @zeroISinfinity we are all enlightened masters Zero don't forget just because duality is illusion doesn't mean that's not infinity too. Shin is infinity just as he is. Matters not whether duality collapses into non-duality or non-duality uncollapses into duality. All is One.

We will spot him a mile away under any name.

@CreamCat just make sure you set a complex password and maybe consider using dual factor authentication afterwards

@Umar_uk indeed that is from the non-dual perspective. From a dualistic perspective you as God will explore yourself as every possibility. That is what is meant here by Reincarnation. It's not about what particular form that possiblity manifests itself as. You/God are the awareness behind the illusion of all eyes. "Reincarnation" is the word pointing to infinite possibilities within consciousness.

@ColdFacts i take it that you have not explored quantum mechanics by your lack of response. I suggest you do and that you study logical positivism. Most physicists today don't want to think about the philosophical or metaphysical ramifications of quantum mechanics and logical positivism but they will admit it when pressed.

@ColdFacts no...i wasn't projecting..notice i stated that these were the reasons i deduced why you are on a spiritual forum. I stated you could also be just trolling. But let's put that aside for now. Have you studied quantum mechanics and modern physics?

@ColdFacts Truth is prior to logic. See the sad problem with you is that i think you are terrified of your own intuition. You intuit that Truth exists - that the nature of reality is mystical and groundless. I think you know it in your heart, way down deep. Otherwise you wouldn't be posting in a spiritual section of a forum. And i think your logical mind refuses to accept it and thus you are stuck in a sad case of cognitive dissonance. That can be overcome though, if you do the practices and meditate. And maybe bite your own bullet and take pyschedelics if needed. (If spiritually gifted they won't be but you won't know until you try) The only other option is that you are here to be a troll - and i guess that's possible too.