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@Arhattobe What have you experienced directly...in terms of mystical experiences. Because you don't want to get caught up in a story of Jesus from two thousand years ago. What i am telling you is coming from my own direct experience.

@Arhattobe There is both dual and non-dual awareness. Of course this isn't the same as the formless or pure Being because there is still form.

Would make sense. The ego doesn't get enlightened. The ego dies. God enlightens himself. In the case where there is still human form the ego is reborn as both the ego and God. They are split but one simultaneously.

@ajasatya Oh i do...i see both perspectives. If that came off as arrogant it was not my intent. That's what non-dual awareness is all about. That's what allows you to play in the sandbox.

@Umar_uk it doesn't seem like you grasp Oneness at all if you are the least bit bothered by Leo at all. Leo is you! You imagined him! You have much to learn my friend. But then again I'm talking to myself right now so it doesn't matter (when i shift to God mode.) Its only when i shift to my finite form that it matters. In the dreamworld. It seems you do not have non-dual awareness yet. You see, i am able to shift my awareness. Being God is incredibly powerful because nothing bothers you. Meltdowns become nonexistent. Keep working at it though! You might get there one day. I hope you do, but at the same time i could care less.

@Umar_uk can you keep your egoic meltdowns private? We get enough of those around here Just kidding with you.

@Umar_uk i understand that i understand Oneness. But the beauty of Infinity allows one to also virtually escape oneself through division. Infinity wouldn't be infinity without the ability to limit. So one can shift perspectives. That is all reality is. Your words are evidence of that. Turn your gaze inwards and see the beauty of duality - do not limit yourself I'm fully awake - you are not telling me anything i don't know. I am God imagining you. That is the highest realization. I hope you see that someday - its beautiful. I just asked you a simple question on how you were raised..i didn't ask for a lecture on Oneness. I showed myself that.

@Preetom i can't speak to part 3 but as for all of the rest i loved reading it. Great post! As far as part 3 just from what i have seen from Leo's experiences with it, it does alter consciousness and expand it permanently - so maybe that's why he says they have to be done right - which is probably very tricky for most people - hence your point?

Yes this is an interesting topic. One can have many mystical experiences and have many deep realizations about Reality, including discovering they ARE reality itself. Rebirth of the ego shall yield much higher deeper levels of consciousness. The ability to now see through the ego. But seeing through the ego is not the same as purifying the ego. But one must see through it first to begin the purification process. That can take decades. But i would not say anything is impossible.

Consciousness forever changes with mystical experiences. Its not the substance its mysticism. The substance only helps consciousness mystically shift. Consciousnes is infinite and you are a sliver that continually grows and merges with universal consciousness.

@Umar_uk that's very beautiful to hear - your awakening. It truly is. You must be very spiritually gifted. Were you also raised studying Advaita Vedanta? I noticed you bring it up an in earlier post. Most of us here are raised in the Materialist paradigm making things even harder We have to break through that first.

@Conrad Awesome nice to hear

@tedens my first mystical experience came doing self inquiry so no. But the question of if a tree falls in the forest and there are no observers does it make a sound? Or for that matter is there even a tree? That question just bothered me ever since i was very young and someone brought it up. I never forgot that question..it always lingered in my mind. I felt there was something not right with the materialist paradigm.

@tedens you must have a mystical experience...it will be revealed to you and literally your mind opens before your eyes and you become conscious that this is all in your mind. Its the most indescribable feeling ever. To be One. IT. Alone. After you come back down its always in the background. There is no going back. I can forget for a little while but its not like before. But now for me its total liberation. And i can also enjoy being in duality as well. Its the best of both worlds. I hope all of you reach it someday.

@Umar_uk you are God right now. So tell us Umar - what have you revealed to yourself during your awakening to yourself? Because no, God just isn't God. When you as the ego die and become God, you will be become conscious of the Absolute, and the Absolutes of the Absolute. So please tell is what has been revealed to you upon rebirth. Tell us how your consciousness has expanded?

@whoareyou no they're not. You just forgot yourself. And Shaun can forget too. That's the beauty. By the way what does Ball think about Solipsism. Or maybe he hasn't had a high enough realization yet? Cuz lemme tell ya buddy - it's the real deal - when you are in that perspective. And that's a key point.

@Shadowraix definitely.

@Ibn Sina yes.

It is scary. It's scary and radical. When i became directly conscious of it i became sick just from the aloneness. I had to leave work and suffered depression on and off for a few days. Also dealt with insanity in between perspectives of my own dual perspective and God's perspective. Its serious business. But once you get past that its wonderful. There is nothing like the feeling of liberation and escaping the matrix. Also remember its not just Solipsism or Gods perspective as i call it. Its Oneness yes, and there is only you..but you can become conscious that you have divided yourself into everyone else and you are being them right now..since iInfinity has infinite dimensions, although right now you only have your perspective. So if you want to look at it dualisticly they are separate from you. If you are look at it non-dualitisticly they are you. If you look at it from Gods perspective (Solipsism) they are being imagined by you. So you see its all perspective. If you are not comfortable with the non dual vantage point then just stay in duality. Forget yourself again. Its fine. It's what you do to escape yourself. You can even go back to the materialistic perspective although that might be hard to fully believe it again knowing what you know. But Just be happy dude.

@Shaun that's because you are only seeing one side of the yin yang symbol. You haven't actually awoken yet so this is still all concept to you and its freaking you the hell out. Once you do awaken your consciousness shall expand so much that you will see duality and non-duality are identical. It doesn't matter if you are an illusion because you can look through that. It actually becomes more beautiful and loving. You will actually be that guy in the 10 ox herding pics just laughing around town in total liberation. You will embrace and love yourself as both the ego and God and you will be totally at peace in this reality. Just because it's imagination doesn't lessen it it only increases the beauty.

@Shadowraix yes.. and to me ultimately liberation will provide the deepest fulfillment. Discovering you are God. That said many need to get there when they get there and self improvement should not be diminished. It all comes together nicely. Being well rounded is very important. May gurus who just only have enlightenment may still not be very well rounded although at that level of realization they also realize that in the end it doesn't matter because the self is an illusion and they are God.

There are many facets to this thing we call life. Thats correct. Just like there are geniuses with zero social skills. To balance yourself out is a wise course. Raised consciousness through spirituality should be done in tandem as it will help you to see all these things. But that's why you can't just follow or trust one particular guru. Just because they may have had one particular facet of the Absolute revealed..or two..they may be limited in other areas. And one can grow more conscious simply by being. Which is great too.

@Vercingetorix @Vercingetorix all there is is an infinite mind dreaming or imagining up things. No body..not really. Thats all imagination. That's reality. Thats what you are. But to know yourself you need to be yourself through imagining it so. So you limited Yourself to this current form as an idea within your mind and and as this idea you have your own individual imagination - a slither of infinite imagination - so your memories have a chronological order, yes. And you as a concept will ultimately wash away and you'll go back to being the entire mind. you'll imagine up new stuff and new ideas and be them too

@zeroISinfinity i love you Zero. Any new awakenings?