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@Preetom You can make distinctions, that is duality. But they are within non-duality. They are not separate from non-duality. So from a non-dual perspective - or the Absolute perspective which is revealed to you when you become the Absolute - The world/form is Brahman/formlessness AND formlessness/Brahman is the world/form. It must come full circle. It's all one thing. We just create the illusion that they are different so that they can be different.

For those who need clarification: Brahman - formlessness world = form

@Mikael89 No, i just posted her quote saying the world is Brahman but Brahman is not the world. The formless is still the form. To say the form is the formless but the formless is not the form is only 1/2 complete. You have to see Oneness to grasp this. You must awaken to yourself.

@Mikael89 It's not accurate to say that Brahman is not the world, and that's all there is. it can be seen as One. it IS ONE when you become it. So any disctinctions made are relative. The Absolute will reveal all is One. If Anna1 agrees with this then we are all arguing about the same thing really! And I consider her on expert on this teaching from knowing her posts.

OK i realized i had it backwards. But even so, Brahman is still is the world too...the world is consciousness in the form of form. It's all One thing.

@Mikael89 Your life and the entiire universe is not separate from consciousness unless you view as separate. It's all consciousness. When you dissolve the form of consciousness you only have the formlessness. All is contained in ONE. The form is split but one simulatenously. You have to awaken to understand this.

@Mikael89 yes, but i'm not aware i'm Brahman until I awaken. And that's not what Anna1 was saying. She is saying the world was created by Brahman and so Brahman is the world but the world isn't Brahman. Yes that's true in one sense, but it is also still Brahman simultaneously. It is the world on TOP of Brahman. Form is on top of formlessness, co-opting formlessness. When it collapses it is only formlessness or Brahman. The Vendantic perspective doesn't acknowledge this - seemingly - And you can become direclty conscious of this AS GOd as an Absolute. There is no "leo's teachings" or Vedantic Teachings" it Just IS.

@Nahm you experience it as God when you Awaken. There is no inllytened1 that is experiencing it because inlytened1 is the wave not the ocean. You must BECOME the ocean or Brahman to become directly aware of it.

Guys let's back up a bit. You can become conscious that the wave is both not the ocean and the ocean simultaneously. That is Oneness. Oneness divides itself so that distinctions may be made. And you can view the wave as separate from the ocean. But simultaneously it is still the ocean. Oneness is an Absolute that you can become directly conscious of when awakening What is being missed here is that the wave or the world created by brahman - when it negates itself it collapses back into itself - collapses back into Brahman. Therefore it always was Brahman even as it was being only world (or the wave if you use the wave/ocean analogy which is a good one) The Vendantic perspective seems to not close the Oneness gap in some weird way because when Brahman creates the world it then splits it off as something separate that now is no longer Brahman. Again becoming the Absolute will reveal that all is One so the the world, while separate is still Brahman and upon collapse will extract itself from Brahman leaving only Brahman. It is splitting hairs but its an important realization to make. Because Oneness is always Oneness even while it is dividing itself.

Two steps forward one step back. You don't need to destroy your ego you just need a good solid mystical experience of becoming God. Then consciousness expands and you discover you are God and there is no where for you to go. You are this whole thing. Your body and ego are no more you than your TV stand.

@abrakamowse that is awesome to hear.

@Dylan Page its not handwaving at all..your just not conscious of this yet. Without duality there would be just isness or pure potential. You wouldn't exist right now! You exist because you as form contrast against everything else. Thats what makes you something. It sounds like you want there to just be Being itself..but without that there wouldn't be a world or a Dylan Page at all!

@Dylan Page something needs something to contrast itself against in order to be something. That is duality. Non-duality is just isness. Yes suffering only exists because there is non-suffering. Really think about it and you'll get it.

@Dylan Page hell doesn't exist unless there is a heaven and vice versa. See how this works?

@Dylan Page in order to discover that it's heaven.

@Dylan Page your dreaming up this whole thing. But you can't see this until you wake up.

@Dylan Page until you Awaken. And if you're response is what if i don't ever awaken? Well you will ultimately because there is no where for you to go. You are yourself. You are God.

@Dylan Page it's only real to you. .Suffering vs not suffering are dualities. They don't exist in the realm of the Absolute. So when you judge God you are judging from your relative perspective. You can keep coming back to it's real but that is only because it's real to you in your perspective.

@Dylan Page To me it is suffering that can ultimately lead to God realization. It did for me. God has a grand design. God wishes to rediscover itself over and over to infinity. Once you awaken you understand the infinite love and nature of God. It is itself - nowhere to go. It can only virtually escape itself by tricking itself into a limited egoic form..any form will ultimately suffer because it wants to maintain it's current form. But this cannot be sustained infinitely. Through this God can experience itself and know itself through infinite possibilities. And ultimately there is a bigger picture the ego cannot see - precisely by design. And this is liberation.

@Dylan Page who is determining the life is terrible. Only the relative. It can just as easily be wonderful to you. It has no meaning when dualities collapse. Terrible vs wonderful - dualities.

@Maya_0 yes but remember an unawakened ego is still unconscious. It can be a hell to the ego - that's a feature. That's what relativity is. I don't think anyone is disputing that. Relative vs Absolute. Awakening is becoming the Absolute so now you are conscious of both the relative and the Absolute.

Most doctors don't understand OCD at all. Medication will help though, if one cannot function.

@Commodent you know for sure when there is no longer a you to know. You know for sure when you stop knowing.

@Paul92 your ego is twisting non-duality into darkness. In truth it is the Absolute. It is love and it is perfection. The Absolute has no opposites. It is pure isness. You have made huge growth by understanding that duality is part of non-duality. It is within it, and it is beautiful. Now put it all together as One and see the beauty in non-duality.