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@Leo Gura If he is doubting himself that is one thing. But you can't deny that certain donkeys will remain donkeys no matter how many times you press their face to the mirror.

@Phoenixx when God divides itself it divides itself into splinters. Slices of a giant pie. Some are bigger pieces than others. Some slices are big enough to become aware that they are the whole pie. Other slices are just slices.

@abrakamowse very nice congrats. When you can't hold back the tears of the sheer power of Gods power and Love then you know you're there. You know you are him. Infinity.

Raw data is 1st order. Saying something is real is 2nd order. First order is there is no difference...

The paradoxical nature of reality though is that you can become so conscious that you come full circle and realize you were perfect anyway. Yet you can and should still grow. Yet you were still perfect. It's both, its either, and its neither.

@OmniYoga the raw data exists.

Ok this is incredible because the same damn thing happened to me when i was a kid. Craziest thing ever - and i thought i was the only one.

@Matt8800 Have you thought about starting your own thread on the occult / clairvoyance / astral projection to answer questions people might have?

Its a great question but it's being asked because you are still in the realm of the relative - form. When you shed all form there is only the formless and this is the Absolute. You can't miss the Absolute - you'll know it when you see it because it won't be you that's knowing it.

Then don't give up. You can have all realizations without pyschedelics. It's been done before!

I have. I have not seen myself creating every hair on my hand but i have become directly conscious of the nature of reality, Oneness, etc. I did not have direct realization of Love but the Divine and divine love was everpresent throughout all awakenings. They were Kundalini awakenings where the a feeling of Being (i refer to kundalini as Being) became total. The self collapses into pure Being. I don't know how..it just happened while meditating and doing self inquiry and no mind techniques. But everyone's situation is different. It does sound like pyschedelics can be a great tool so I'm not against them if they work for people who have been trying to discover Truth for years or decades with no luck and lots of suffering.

@Meditationdude I never touched pyschedelics so i can tell you it's certainly possible and didn't take long at all for me once i discovered spirituality.

@Mezanti i experienced this too...i think mainly give it time to find out who you are. Maybe you feel a lack of identity and therefore need to be whatever others want you to be because you have no idea who you are yet. On the flipside having a loose identity is good for spiritual work - if you do self inquiry there is a good chance you can find Truth and have an awakening. This will help bigtime. But more realistically i think you have to develop a sense of who you are because with that will come a sense of confidence deep within - to where you stop caring about what people think. This seems to also be deeply ingrained in some of us and we need a lot of deprogramming to help us past this.

Maybe you're a kangaroo then.

For many with anxiety disorders weed will trigger panic attacks. That is also why pyschedelics isn't for everyone.

Lol..i think i set the bar pretty high with Jesus. A fish has a long way to go.

You will be directly conscious of the answer when you awaken to yourself. You will discover that you are infinite and there cannot be anything outside of yourself.

Agreed. In fact it is both. And i am not disagreeing with @Arhattobe either. Bless his heart but he became very defensive right away and also made assumptions about my own "defilements" whatever they may be and level of enlightenment. This could be perceived as an impurity or defilement of his own that perhaps he needs to work on @Ero great post...a lot of good points there. Look, Truth is a very tricky thing as Leo often states. It is not black and white at all. But as @Ero and @Arhattobe both point out the higher ones consciousness levels become the more at peace a person is going to be with themselves. One big reason for this is by this level they are conscious that that they are all of reality, or God - and that in a sense they are already perfect from God's perspective. That Reality is One and it is Love. That in fact they are the Buddah and Jesus. And with these higher consciousness levels whatever relative impurifications a person has will ultimately clear up - for them. With more awakenings and the deepening of One's enlightenment, suffering is reduced. If one can reach a point of no suffering then at that point any finite egoic desires - for control, permanent pleasure, etc will ultimately dissipate and the individual would be at the level of Jesus. Just a carefree selfless loving being that is not a slave to his own ego.

I'm simply stating that a "defilement" is a relative term. I understand your points. But this can't be escaped.

@Arhattobe ignorance is not the same as impurities though. You are basically saying that the absence of ignorance via enlightenment ultimately should result in the absence of impurity correct? Therefore total enlightenment by your definition is the vanquishing of impurities through total understanding of one's self and reality. When you are all knowing there cannot be any impurities left. Yet here we hit a paradox. We are still left with the fact that impurities are relative. If i feel that i am completely pure while maintaining an addiction post enlightenment - who is to say that is wrong? When there is no longer a fear of anything than how can it be wrong? So you see where we run into a paradox here?

This basically separates enlightenment with "purification" of the ego. Which i agree with. I put that in quotes because who is to say what purification is? That is relative or dualistic. The realizations of which you speak only occur in non-dual states. It is a paradox as is reality. So there is no right or wrong definition of enlightenment.

@mods this should probably be moved to the appropriate section of the forum @AlldayLoop totally. Hopefully he knows this being on them already he should have been advised this by a therapist.

@Jacobsrw this is exactly why enlightenment is liberation. And yes we can relatively speak of levels of enlightenment but the realizations of reality and Oneness will shine the light on the fear of death and bring you a sense of peace.

@ethanb121 cool if you don't need them great but don't do it because others say its bad do it for yourself.

@AlldayLoop is spot on. For someone with a mental disorder they will alter consciousness levels. They can relieve the blockages that these disorders can cause.