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That's because the mind wants to default to science for the answer. You want a mathematical formula or a scientific theory. The truth is that science is contained within reality and thus can study the content or that which is held within reality. And in fact it has studied the content. Look no further than quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics studied the content and discovered it was nothing more than wave functions - which are ultimately nothing...so, they found that mere possibilities comprise the root level of reality.

You are referring to permanent enlightenment and you are right there is no such thing while in form. For that is eternal formlessness. I have stated that early on when i first joined the forum. But if you have an enlightenment, and come back - yes you are in the dream but you have previously broken out - like Neo in the Matrix going back into the Matrix. What you call it is relative of course. But you are lucid dreaming at that point - so it is awake while dreaming.

I have suffered in the past from pure OCD. The obsessions not the compulsions. I would try meditation and self inquiry first. Don't ask me why but your OCD may provide a spiritual gift. What is the severity - mild, or severe? Are you able to go meta on an OCD thought and label it as OCD yet? Anyways they call it the Doubt Disorder. It is the constant feeling of a lack of certainty. Awakening is total certainty - so when you awake you will be cured for the time you are in a mystical state of consciousness. When you come back your OCD should be better as you will have increased your baseline consciousness level.

@Marinador There are many paths to Truth. Decades of suffering, then stumbling onto it through the curiosity of an open mind can also be a path. That is the one found not by seeking at all.

It will really diminish or completely remove your fear of death because you grasp directly that death is an illusion. That said You as God put yourself in this form. Form at its core is an attachment. No need to demonize form. Some attachments are healthy its just that you will no longer have those deep tormenting existential fears. Enjoy life, while simultaneously embodying your eternal nature.

Excellent! Then we always agreed! I believe because i spoke of Nothingness you felt that this is not still Love. But nothing that was said ever contradicted that. Infinity IS Love. Absolute Love is not a physical object, rather physical objects are contained within Absolute Love and are fragments of Love. It is what you are. it is everything. Which of course includes nothing. It is made of itself. It is itself! Anyways glad you are on the forum - sorry if i came off as arrogant - i prefer passionate!

@from chaos into self do self inquiry. Leo has some much older enlightenment videos where he shows how this done. (May need to go back to his first ones -They are very good.) Listen to them while doing it. Also he has some later ones as well.

@from chaos into self have you done self inquiry? This is extremely powerful in discovering what you are and what you are not. Another technique i use is the do nothing. When a thought comes in just realize that and let it pass. Bring awareness back onto awareness. Another is concentration. Focus on a single object and keep it there as long as you can.

Agreed sir. Welcome to the forum although you joined a while back ?

Man i couldn't have said that any better That's about as good as you can explain it in words. Oh wait - I'm you so i guess i did Get these guys some 5-MeO!!

Indeed you do and indeed it is just read the whole post and yeah i think that dude was actually very woke in certain areas (in human terms) ...its not boredom though - in the egoic sense anyway -- He seems to have missed Love as the fabric, but as Infinity God's greatest gift is its Love for itself. So it returns to discover itself again and again into Infinity. Let me explain. As pure infinity, It enjoys Love for itself for eternity - such that somewhere in eternity (really nowhere) becomes the desire to create the experience of not knowing into knowing what it is. A separation if you will. There was never a difference or a separation- it just creates the difference so that there can be one. So that it can BE Infinite.

@Heart of Space that is the ego. Even an eniightened master is not spared an ego. But they are aware of what it is.

Actually it is so that it can explore itself and then again awaken to its own Infinity. This is synonmous with falling in love with itself. Infinity and Love are the same thing Here comes the mindfuck. its you.

Indeed. Thus this forum should be a lounge and all talk is finite and circular. Yet hopefully we can inspire others to become nothing . it could be via meditation where the mind is quieted. Or it could be where the mind inquires into what it is and discovers it is nothing directly and becomes nothing or it could be 5-MeO that shatters the finite leaving the Infinite. NOTHING

@Uglyroach start a journal....

You are imagining the whole world. But not as@Gesundheit. As God. And God has partitioned itself. When people think of solipsism they are talking mostly about they think their ego is all there is. So traditional solipism isn't it. But you stand alone as God..as far as materialism if you are still clinging to thinking reality is dumb so be it..but thats just cuz you're still asleep. And even a materialist can be a solipsist simply by thinking other people are robots and that they alone have consciousness.

Depends on the awakening. Exclaiming OMFG comes to mind. And/or Jaw may drop in awe and shock. Feelings of total Divine Bliss and Love that words will never do justice.

Well that is still the case just in a far different way then someone who is still in the materialist paradigm

No i understand exactly. (I.e See Leo's video on Self Deception) What happens is you can get lost in your own mind. You become so skeptical that you question your own mind. And rightly so at times as you are always attempting to deceive yourself. I think you mentioned in a recent post that you hit a point where you knew nothing. I have been there too. But yeah Absolute Truth is liberation from the suffering of the finite. And total skepticism even of your own mind can be a way to go full circle and trigger Oneness - so yes i see what you mean. It is paradoxical. I wouldn't count on it though - you're more likely to end up in the loony bin. Which i guess is fine by you

That's what I'm trying to do but apparently with you its not working as you continue to try and strawman me. And we were having a discussion about the nature of reality and you seem to want to wander off in other directions. As far as awakening - maybe it's time to meditate my boy! I cannot help a devil realize he is God. Only the devil can do that.

Yes i don't know if i would call it skepticism but i was just gonna say that too much of trying to contemplate the infinite with a finite mind can send you to the loony bin real fast. And you won't know what is true anymore... I have been there. Not to that extreme..but no fun. I prefer becoming the Absolute and realizing it directly

I was talking about the structure of reality not the contents.

Well i can tell you that you should be skeptical and even with mystical experiences you will not have all realizations at once. This is very advanced stuff as someone always says......in the end these are all words and Truth can only be found directly. Until then the only thing we can do is try not to be too attached to a particular belief.

Yes so you remain skeptical of both idealism vs materialism and solipsism vs (i guess non-solipsism?) Because they are two different things....

@Someone here is solipsism what you were asking about or materialism? Are you more concerned with whether or not your experience is all there is or that there is dumb matter behind the scenes and consciousness happening in the brain? It seems the thread is all over the place but the question of whether there is a physical refrigerator behind the scenes was what you were asking about rather than POVs? There can be multiple finite experiences happening simultaneously and you as Consciousness cut yourself off from access beyond your finite consciousness - i.e Consciousness partitioned itself into a bunch of virtual partitions. But you can hack your own partition and access the whole drive. But this still doesn't mean there is a physical universe or a physical refrigerator independent of Consciousness. In other words NO solipsism but still reality is a Mind. Yes it is One so you could say its Solipism from God's perspective. But not from each finite POV. And still only the appearance of a fridge.