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In Leo’s latest video, he seemed to imply that he has discovered something beyond his current teachings. I’m perfectly content with waiting until next year’s course for the answer, but I’m wondering if anyone has an idea about what he could’ve been hinting at Under my current working paradigm, Infinity/Nothing/God would be the highest level, because by definition it includes everything else. Anything that could be expressed in words, concepts, or images would be finite and thus less than infinite. I think even a direct experience could only be either finite or infinite (although there could be multiple levels of infinity… honestly this I have no idea about) Given that Leo has been using brand new research chemicals fairly extensively, it’s possible that he’s discovered something that previous shamans and spiritual traditions didn’t have access to. Or maybe this could be something from some obscure tradition that almost no one has heard about. I’d like to hear other’s thoughts on this

I’m also curious about this substance. What makes this compound interesting is that it’s difficult to categorize, it can have properties of a dissociative, a deliriant, and a psychedelic. Taking the wrong kind can be fatal though, dxm needs to be the only active ingredient. I haven’t researched if it’s physically safe to consume in large quantities, but it seems clear that classical psychedelics would be preferable. The dosing is also different than other substances. It has plateaus of different levels of intensity (5 if I’m remembering correctly) rather than the dosing being linear or exponential. So one would want to dose at the lower end of the desired level. There’s probably also a greater chance for negative experiences compared to other substances, however it sounds like it could have unique effects. I’d be interested to hear if anyone has successfully used dxm for spiritual purposes

@blankisomeone It depends on what kind of experience you want to have. The visuals are more intense in darkness, however mushrooms can be pretty sedating, so you might have more energy during the daytime

Something that others haven’t mentioned is that most of the mescaline is in the outer green layer. So the white center can be discarded to reduce the amount of cactus ingested

My girlfriend has made contact with an entity during her last 4 trips who, after imparting it’s wisdom, will instruct her to take a specific dose of a substance to receive the next message. A couple weeks ago, it told her that it was going to contact me as well, and said that I should combine mushrooms with Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds at specific doses to receive the message I had a great trip with a full ego death and lots of great insights, but it didn’t end up contacting me. Earlier today, it told her that it tried to, but my mind was resisting it. While I wasn’t consciously resisting, (I went into it open to receiving the message) the idea that this entity could be “real” (whatever that means) does scare me a bit. Now, it’s telling us both to take salvia in order to enter its dimension. I wasn’t planning on ever trying salvia though, since Leo says it’s dangerous. However, it seems arrogant to disobey a psychedelic entity of unknown power. Also, it could cause us both to face consequences in future trips if I refused to take it. It did say that we could take a few months off from psychedelics to prepare (which might be healthy at this point) and that I could start with a low dose at first Does anyone have experience with this type of entity? And do people think the dangers of salvia are serious enough that I still shouldn’t take it?

I’m interested in tripping again soon as I think it might be a meaningful and enjoyable solo activity to start off the next phase in my life. However, I don’t want any unresolved feelings to become a distraction from the deeper spiritual insights. I’d be interested to hear people’s experiences with this

The key implication of non-duality is that all things are perfectly Good, as they are one with Infinity/God. This seems to suggest a state of total equality, whereby placing one thing above another would merely be a relative bias. Yet many religions have the idea that God represents only the highest good, that stands above lower things For example, Christ is meant to represent the highest of what a human could be, such that the infinite is embodied within the finite. (I’m not a Christian and see many problems with how religion affects the world, but still think some of the stories have symbolic value) The counter to this would be that everyone is God, or that only you are God and Christ is imaginary. However, I think it can still be useful to people to have a notion of a highest good that they can strive for. It may be ultimately true to tell someone that they are already identical to infinite perfection, but many people have difficult lives and major personality flaws, so I don’t know if that’s the most helpful message Traditional religions have the notion of the “straight and narrow”, drawing a clear dividing line between correct and incorrect behavior and forming a hierarchy of the ways you could conduct yourself in the world. (This can be achieved without religion as well) While it might be true that all paths are equal, because everything’s a dream, that doesn’t help a conflicted person decide which path to take. Obviously, the idea of hierarchy can be horribly misused. It’s easy for one to believe that their personal bias represents a higher spiritual truth and then force it on others violently. But could the idea of hierarchy serve a healthy role within a high consciousness spirituality? Or is Equality ultimately the Truth?

I tried a low dose of this combo as an experiment (1 gram of dried mushrooms, 2 grams of mimosa hostilis root bark powder, and 150 mg harmine hcl) At this dose, the dmt seemed dominant, with a slight mushroom vibe to the visuals and mental images. I have no idea how it would be at a higher dose. In my limited experience, mushrooms have a certain pure quality that can be lost when combined with other substances. But I think there’s still potential for interesting combos. Both are definitely powerful enough on their own, but seeing as they’re very similar molecules, I think it’s worth a try as long as you’re careful about the dose

@Aleister Crowleyy The entity claims to be a machine elf who comes to different people in different forms. My girlfriend saw it as a humanoid figure in dark robes. It came across as a stern parental figure who gave her useful guidance, although it seems like it could become more harsh if it’s not listened to

@Hojo Has there been documented cases of things like that happening? From everything I’ve read, as long as you’re mentally healthy, no matter how crazy things get while tripping, your sober mind should return once the drug wears off Of course, people have believed in demonic possession for thousands of years, but I’m skeptical that it would occur to a mentally healthy individual and be permanent

@Razard86 I understand the perspective that entities are a distraction and that you should aim straight for the highest wisdom on your own. Although I don’t view the idea of an entity giving dosing instructions as inherently bad. It’s been said that spirits instructed Amazonian tribes on how to make ayahuasca. Although it’s also possible that they combined thousands of plants together over time and just happened to stumble upon it at some point But I will take some time to think about it and come to my own decision

@Leo Gura Do you think it’s possible though that there could be entities living in other planes of existence that have access to knowledge and wisdom that humans lack under normal states of consciousness? I’m also open to the possibility that this thing only exists in her imagination (although I suppose ultimately the distinction between real and imaginary breaks down) Yes, generally I would like to make my own informed decisions regarding substances and dosage. However, it seems possibly foolish to reject a potential spirit guide, if such a thing exists. And I wouldn’t want it to angrily visit me in the future, although I don’t know how likely that would be

I tried to take ayahuasca at home using mimosa hostilis and harmine hcl. It came on strong about 30 minutes later with some nice visuals and body feeling, but about 15 minutes later it began to fade a bit. I waited another 15 minutes and was feeling surprisingly mentally sober. I thought maybe I didn’t take enough of the harmine, but attempting to take more made me throw up immediately At that point, I was feeling too nauseous to attempt taking more, and figured it might have not been the best night anyway. I was basically sober at that point, with a bit of an altered body feeling and a bit more emotional Does anyone know what went wrong? I’m thinking not enough maoi because there was definitely a large amount of dmt in there. Also, is 1 hour in too soon to throw up? Does it take longer than that to fully absorb? Thanks!

@Razard86 As long as we’re talking about classical psychedelics, combining doesn’t seem too dangerous from my experience and what I’ve read. If you pick two substances you’re already experienced with individually, and start with less than half your normal dose of each, there’s not a whole lot that can go wrong. It can add a new flavor to the experience, but some combos will be better than others. It does add an extra element of unpredictability though

@Batman Right, do you think it’s a different experience despite having the same active ingredients? I chose mimosa hostilis because it’s more potent than chacruna and thus I would need to ingest less plant material. And the harmine was extracted from syrian rue which is a common substitute for caapi

Update: I think it was just resistance I was experiencing. An hour later the effects came back and I ended up having a good experience

In the latest video, Leo said that one aspect of love is respecting someone’s survival agenda and helping them to succeed. This naturally raises the question of what happens when their survival contradicts yours. Loving yourself is also important, and therefore you would want to promote your own success also Obviously, if someone presents a physical danger to you, you would want to get away from them and take necessary actions to protect yourself. But what about lower stakes issues, like day to day personal preferences? If you hold their needs as being equally as important as yours, then how would you decide whose preferences to go with? Love can often feel zero sum to me, like in order to love others, I would need to love myself less

@axiom Why do you think he shouldn’t? He seems interested and open to this kind of stuff. Do you think he’s more prone to being destabilized?

@puporing Yeah, compatibility is important if you want a relationship to be at all functional. I’m wondering if the type of metaphysical love that Leo describes has that same limitation. That practically you can only love things within a narrow range if you want to continue surviving

@Preety_India That would be the extreme case. A murderer’s survival agenda might include killing you, because otherwise he would not be a murderer, but letting yourself be killed as an expression of love towards him would be so irrational and dysfunctional that almost no one is capable of entertaining that thought But in cases of lower stakes ego and identity survival, it’s not as clear whose needs should be prioritized

I naturally contemplate a lot throughout the day, especially in the last 5 years. It can get pretty exhausting, so I always get a lot of sleep (8+ hours). I've gotten to the point where my mind gets twisted in paradoxes, and I sometimes get stuck going down deep rabbit holes. When you're able to let go of prior assumptions, metaphysical terminology begins to lose all meaning. It's getting very psychologically destabilizing for me right now, so I may need to take a break for that reason. The end goal, though, is beyond all concepts and beliefs. It can't be thought about or spoken of, for any thought you have about it is itself not it. Eventually, all ideas will dissolve. Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds (LSA) show me that very quickly, I'm sure other substances could as well. Contemplation is a bridge that helps you get there, meant to be abandoned once you arrive. Essentially using the mind to destroy the mind. I'll get there when I'm ready, right now it feels like too much to handle personally.

Tier 2 transcends and includes all of the Tier 1 stages. Survival is a prerequisite for existing in a finite human form. When you cease surviving, you no longer have a spiral dynamics stage, you simply merge into Nothingness/Infinity

Earlier today I was having an emotionally charged conversation about existential topics, and I started going on an unhinged rant. Whenever I reached the point where I would sensibly stop, the person I was talking to told me to keep going. So it kept getting crazier, and by the end I was talking about how all words and concepts were meaningless and how there was no difference between what was and wasn't real. Then after that, it legitimately felt like I was on a low dose of mushrooms. My body became very loose, I was laughing quite a bit, and I had difficulty forming complete sentences and keeping track of thoughts in the same way that mushrooms cause. No visuals, so it's not HPPD. I'm worried psychedelics might be destabilizing my mind a bit. My last trip was 5 days ago, but the one before that was a few months ago. I'm wondering if this is cause for concern or just part of the process.

@puporing Yeah, I've had psychedelic dreams also, different from my actual trips though. My friend also saw psychedelic mandala fractals randomly while on a hike today, but they went away afterwards. I wonder if trace amounts of the chemical are still active days afterwards, or if neural pathways are opened up that can be triggered by stuff.

For me stimming feels similar to laughing or crying, a natural reaction to a corresponding emotional state. It's uncomfortable to suppress it, and I like to quickly find a place alone where I can do it when possible. I'm not sure if neurotypicals would benefit from it also, but it doesn't seem to be a natural inclination that they have. The main stim I do is I quickly flap my fingers or an object right in front of my eyes. It helps me focus my mind and release pent up energy. But yeah, I don't understand how neurotypicals can go all day without stimming, I imagine it's just not a desire that they have Endogenous psychedelic compounds could explain my vivid imagination and intellectual creativity that I link to autism. However, I feel very separate from the world around me and have difficulty relating to other people. Psychedelics usually break down individual identity, while with autism I feel very separate from culture, groups, and other people. So who knows