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You may be right that I have a point and it doesn't matter, but the belief that I or you will have to come back to the spiral anyways is just a overlaying concept and accepted belief you have. If everything just flatlined back to source, the spiral you think is fundamental will just be a tattooed memory on gods ass. For one we don't know if the spiral is even going on as it lays itself out. 2. the Spiral is just markers, concepts, interpretations of humans and idea's of how their beliefs are in relation to themselves and the outside world. 3. These are categorized along a process based chronological order in time space unfolding, with guesses and approximation of dates in which humans supposedly developed certain lines and stages of development. Again this is data gained through questions and observations that a group of humans took about human beings in our time period and assumptions made about human beings from 10-100,000 years ago (all limited within their own development and sensory capacity to see and understand, and all with margins of error possible with the human mind and body). Now I'm fine with accepting some accepts that make sense to me and from what I've learned about the importance of inclusiveness and how this concept in human beings can create healthier ways of working with oneself and eachother. But in no way shape or form do I believe its fundamental and a accurate description of reality itself or even a accurate description of how human development is or did take place.

Really nice video outlining these concepts. I just made a video breaking down the self imposed idea's with in the umbrella of these fields through the investigation of what is a question? Very rough around the edges honestly and I think in time I'll be able to better flush out what I'm pointing to, because its still something I'm new to and trying to explain. Curious about your thoughts ardacigin, lol its definitely a party pooper.

Lol this is so far off from the truth its not even funny. This is like saying if you have not smelled a dogs anus and appreciated its full aroma you have not accepted reality itself. Spiral Dynamics is a important thing for some and a huge pile of steaming distracting doo doo for others. Its not even a proven thing, even though its one that I accept has some value both in content and its ability to create a healthy concept of inclusiveness, but its no more or less god then a dogs anus or fridjonks view and experience of the spiral being usefulness for him, both have god value.

I personally think this should be stickied for all to understand what non-duality is not. This is a great humorous cartoon showing what can happen when non-duality is not fully understood. I've been here before, the cartoon creator, Jeff Foster a enlightened teacher, said he was in this phase for a few years, non dual teachers Lisa Cairns and Paul Hedderman have spoken about this to. IF you find yourself always speaking like this brown bear or don't get what this video is pointing to, then maybe its time for a little self reflection, a warm hearted smile and a good old laugh at ourselves when you see

@Vitamine Water Your alright. Its a process and spacing out into nothingness is great.

What ever happened with the false accusation? Did you admit to this and what transpired?

Brown Bears spotted lately, reminder video to not feed the bears.

You say that now but you’ll come crawling back ?

And then you realize there is no bottom, or top. Beginners mind till the end.

I’m ok with that and I’m ok with you as you are. It’s a fun adventure trying figure it all out, keep going.

@Aakash ? @zeroISinfinity wouldn’t you say the ‘me’ doesn’t even have to go either, One just needs to become self recognized or connected with. Then the ‘me’ and the stories will become less and less inherently held as Truth. And this apparent process is itself Total already. Never actually getting anywhere.

Isn’t Total always Total, and always has been Total. How can a enlightenment not be Total? How can a non-enlightenment not be Total. How can anything in between not be Total? Let go off the game of not There yet. Let go of the game of I AM. Let go of the game of stages. Let go of the game of letting go.

No, thats the view your attention is on.

Nah, those aren't lacks man. Just in your mind. Your in a good place.

@Good-boy Good to hear. @DrewNows Ya, cool, I saw you posted a video, I'm going to watch it right now.

Lol thanks.

Lol wintersoldier. You can call me captain America. Well for starters duality appears to collapse in some awakening moments but ultimately it’s not even duality to begin with. It’s like the question how come the man in the mirror doesn’t talk back to me when I ask a question. Well it’s not actually a man in the mirror to begin with it just appears to be. Similar to your next question it’s kinda built on a false premise to begin with. But yes it remains for most.

@Shin as an experiment if your up for it. Try watching the video again without that interpretation and see if anything else comes through. Let me know either way. ?

I tried to give as little conceptual framing and ‘whys’ to why it is that we do this to ourselves and instead pointed to just the fact that it happens and to relax out of so You may be correct in one type of framing that causes this but it’s not what I was trying to convey. I’m also pointing to something very subtle as well but not directly since the average viewer may be turned of by more mystical reasonings and instead keep it as simple as possible. But don’t take this as what your saying has no value since aakash my self and others have benefited from more detailed explanations as well.

Are you ok man? Did someone get a hold of your account and is playing jokes on you? Say what you will about Leo and his possible radicalness, but man you sound like your two inches away from becoming a radical cult leader.

Sometimes you gotta just drop all the questioning since the usage of the mind can have its own energetic experience that can feel contracted, dull or tiresome if overused (not that its inherently negative, but anything done to much can feel unhealthy). Imagine you had a friend come over for dinner and its REALLY good, but instead of just enjoying the meal he sits at the table, picks up the chicken and goes BUT WHAT IS IT. WHAT IS IT REALLY. And your like, its chicken, its a bird of some sort and tastes pretty good fried and salted. And your friend is like, YA YA YA IT TASTES LIKE SOMETHING AND LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING, BUT WHAT IS THAT SOMETHING, WHOS EXPERIENCE THIS SOMETHING, HOWS THIS SOMETHING POSSIBLE, WHERE DID IT ALL COME FROM, HOW DID THAT GET HERE, WHATS THE TRUTH OF IT ALL? And your like, man just fucking eat the chicken, its good. But your friend continues, but no I NEED TO KNOW FIRST WHAT IT IS BEFORE I CAN ENJOY IT. So you give your friend a book that goes into great detail about a lot of these questions. He reads it and appears to be satisfied and can now eat the chicken, BUT just before he's about to eat the chicken, hes like WAIT, BUT HOW DOES THE BOOK KNOW, THERES A PARADOX, THERES MORE TO THIS, NEW QUESTIONS HAVE OPENED UP THAT I DIDN"T EVEN KNOW I NEEDED TO KNOW BEFORE I READ THE BOOK AND I NEED TO KNOW THOSE ANSWERS BEFORE I CAN EAT THE CHICKEN. And your like OH GOD, fucking shut up, just eat the chicken, and he's like NOOOOOOO I NEED TO KNOW, I NEED TO KNOW, I NEED TO KNOW..... Aakash, sometimes its just better to eat the chicken, since theres ALWAYS GOING TO BE MORE THATS UNEXPLAINED ONCE YOU REACH AN UNDERSTANDING OF SOMETHING........ Learn to drop these questions sometimes and just eat your chicken dinner.

Well in that sense yes, theres infinite to discover and learn and grow into OR not. However to understand oneself as source is all together different, and is spoken about in a variety of ways throughout history.

Sounds like you may be looking into some interesting things that maybe you can elaborate on, but thought I may share something which may contribute to this picture. Tiers are something that are generally used to imply hierarchy in a real "reality". And from the sound of your examples and arguments you believe in a hierarchy and persons that interpret something called enlightenment and "The Absolute" in different ways, but what if this just isn't happening to begin with, thats its actually the unfolding of Self/You. Stage 1 blue enlightenment, stage 2 turquise enlightenment, and stage 3 coral enlightenment, are ALL equally God happenings unfolding creatively out of itself and may only discovered in the moment it happens to Itself (not a predetermination of creating something). Another way of saying it is all enlightenment's and non-enlightenment's are equal and God happening, even though one "appears" or "sounds" to be more sophisticated, broad, deep, more encompassing and inclusive to what ever is "feeling and experience" it as so. God and ALL of IT is happening at EVERY Point one could call a Point. One in duality may say this grain of sand is just a sand, and start to look into it and see that its built out of smaller and small particles into infinity and in and as this infinity INFINITY itself is ALL there. All POINTS are INFINITYS that include ALL the other POINTS of INFINITY. One could say there are INFINITE POINTS or ONE POINT called ITSELF or GOD and these are creatively growing out of ITSELF perhaps unknow to itself and deliberate (much like one could say where do thoughts come from and why that thought, it just arose out of creative emptiness). Contrary to the belief that GOD knows all and creates all, GOD may unfold as a mystery to itself just as much as there is deliberation.

And this.....