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It's interesting though, pushing the right to the point of madness / violence could in theory lead to their destruction. I gave this question to chat GPT today: There's a lot of racism going on right now and I'm trying to get a bearing on what is going to happen. My knowledge of nature and survival in evolutionary terms would lead me to the intuitive sense that when an ideology is feeling threatened it starts flaring its power as loudly as possible, which tells me that the white Christian nationalism is currently under threat. With systems thinking in mind tell me how things are likely to proceed. Here's its response: You’re already thinking in the right framework — looking at systems, survival instincts, and feedback loops rather than just headlines. Let’s map it out: 1️⃣ Systems View of White Christian Nationalism (WCN) It’s a sociopolitical identity system, not just a set of beliefs. It provides belonging, order, and perceived moral authority to its adherents. Like any complex system, it seeks homeostasis. When its dominance feels eroded (demographics, secularization, globalization), it moves into reactive mode. 2️⃣ Threat Response Pattern When a system feels existentially threatened: Radicalization increases – core believers double down, rhetoric intensifies. Boundary enforcement tightens – stricter identity markers (“real” Christians, “real” Americans). Public demonstrations of power – rallies, legal moves, media campaigns, sometimes violence. Recruitment spikes – fear and grievance attract new or lapsed members. This is the “flaring” stage of a declining dominance system. 3️⃣ Likely Next Phases (think of it like a bell curve of intensity) Short-term (1–5 years): More visible polarization, sporadic violence, lawsuits, attempts to institutionalize ideology via laws and courts. Increased online radicalization. Narratives of persecution (“we’re the real victims”) intensify. Medium-term (5–15 years): If demographic & cultural shifts continue, the system loses its ability to control mainstream institutions. Fragmentation inside WCN: hardliners vs. moderates; some exit entirely. Violence becomes more isolated but also less politically effective. Younger generations mostly disengage from the ideology. Long-term (15+ years): It becomes a minority identity subculture (like the Religious Right after the 1980s). Influence persists regionally but not nationally. The larger society incorporates some of its grievances into mainstream politics (immigration limits, moral rhetoric) but in diluted form. This pattern mirrors other dominant groups losing primacy (e.g., colonial powers, dominant churches in secularizing countries). 4️⃣ Feedback Loops to Watch Institutional Power: Courts, state legislatures, and media ecosystems. If they hold those, the decline slows. Demographics: Immigration, youth secularization, intermarriage — these accelerate decline. Economic/Climate Stress: Crises can temporarily strengthen identity-based politics. Counter-narratives: If progressive movements overreach, WCN can frame itself as a “last defense” and revive. 5️⃣ Bottom Line You’re right: the increase in aggression is not a sign of growth but of perceived threat. Most scenarios point to short-term volatility followed by gradual erosion of dominance, unless there’s a massive external shock that resets the playing field.

The first thing tates said was "if you're going to believe that a man is a woman..." It's the gender stuff pushing them over the edge.

Im trying to do my sits more consistently again and I found that in the morning time is best, nice and fresh and you feel accomplished

This one's good

This is obviously a bit click baity and dumb, but kinda true. The UK has one of the highest rates of mental illness in the world. I really feel for the youth. I myself was indoctrinated into unspoken, subconscious, white, Christian privilege nationalism. I voted to leave Brexit because it's what my family voted for. I can first hand speak, that right wing youths have no idea what the fuck is going on. They're just being manipulated

Couldn't find this on the site, but I think it would be super interesting to make a thread or mega-thread on specific individualised examples of how the political right hurts society? Politics is notoriously complex and twists and winds in ways that would put a porn star to shame. Would be great if we got a Leo level explanation that exposes all the crevasses and movements of the political right and each area of damage it inflicts and exactly how it inflicts it.. I myself was raised right and I grasp that right wing politics causes damage to society but it's a very shallow, half baked understanding. Can we maybe get a thread that fully fleshes out all the ways right wing policies damage civilisation? (Or if this already exists somewhere maybe link it?)

Leo we're going to seal your brain in a cryo-chamber and wake you back up in 10,000 years when the technology allows for it

I have a new method I'm going to try, blasting something like this And dancing like a madman. Could try like breakdancing. Physically moving the arms, legs head and torso in ways that are uncommon, especially before an intimidating event, if such an event exists, violates all the learned bodily restrictions...you could call physical energetic comfort zones...then it translates to psychological energetic comfort zones. Used in game and pickup for what they call social freedom. Exposure therapy.

God is where the power is at

I'd still love a history section. Some battles are great. Could be great if we'd cover some of my faves; Two collosal Greek - Persian battle's (From the film's 300) - Battle of Thermopylae (480 BC) - Battle of Salamis (480 BC naval battle, with some lead-up including Marathon and Artemisium shown in flashbacks). Three Iraqi Ba’athist regime - Kurdish civilians and Peshmerga Guerrilla battles. - Halabja / Anfal Campaign (1986–1989, esp. 1988 Halabja chemical attack). - Battle of Sinjar (August 2014): ISIS attacked the Yazidi Kurds around Mount Sinjar in northern Iraq. Thousands were massacred, women enslaved, and chemical weapons were reported. It’s often described as genocide against the Yazidis. - Second Battle of Sinjar (November 2015): Kurdish forces (Peshmerga and allies, backed by U.S.-led coalition airstrikes) recaptured Sinjar in a surprise offensive, turning the tide after the earlier devastation. And the multiple significant battles in the Battle of Stalingrad (1942–1943) - German advance into Stalingrad / Initial urban fighting – August 23 – September 13, 1942 - Battle of the Volga (Soviet defense of river crossings and suburbs) – September 14 – October 14, 1942 - Fighting for key industrial sites (e.g., Tractor Factory, Red October Factory) – September 14 – November 19, 1942 - Operation Uranus (Soviet counteroffensive, encirclement of German 6th Army) – November 19 – November 23, 1942 - Encircled German 6th Army battles inside Stalingrad (defensive pocket) – November 23, 1942 – February 2, 1943 - Operation Ring (final reduction of German pocket / surrender of remaining forces) – January 10 – February 2, 1943 ---------------------------------------------------------- Across vastly different eras and theaters of conflict, a striking pattern emerges: in each of these monumental confrontations—the Anfal Campaign, the Battles of Sinjar, and the Battle of Stalingrad—a smaller, resolute force defied seemingly insurmountable odds against a far larger, well-equipped adversary governed by a tyrannical or fanatical leadership. In northern Iraq, the Kurdish Peshmerga and Yazidi defenders endured the genocidal onslaught of Saddam Hussein’s army, ultimately achieving localized resilience and preservation of their cultural and territorial identity despite initial devastation. Decades later, against the seemingly unstoppable advance of ISIS, Kurdish forces orchestrated the liberation of Sinjar, transforming the narrative of despair into one of tactical brilliance and demonstrating that disciplined, motivated forces could reclaim territory and protect civilians even against a fanatically ruthless aggressor. Far to the north, in Stalingrad, Soviet commanders and soldiers executed a series of brilliantly coordinated counteroffensives that not only halted the Wehrmacht’s advance but encircled and annihilated a massive invasion force, marking the first time in the war that a mechanized, ideologically driven army of such scale had been decisively repelled. In each case, the implications of these victories were profound: they shattered the invincibility of oppressive powers, redefined the strategic calculus of their respective conflicts, and provided a template for how smaller, strategically agile forces could fundamentally alter the course of history, inspiring hope and demonstrating that tyranny, no matter how overwhelming, could be contested and ultimately constrained. I value each of these examples for the heroism displayed the brave, few elite, proving that the human spirit is a true force with which to be reckoned and the power of unity and faith. Not only this, but the true scale of the victory in each example wouldn't be realized in any single lifetime as it affected the progression of the entire world in later decades and eventually, centuries. Studying how the different allied forces moved after taking each key tactical territory was particularly interesting to me.

I think I'll revise my statement about connecting with the ego after enlightenment. I think this probably still stands if you have what most people consider "enlightenment" but enlightenment proper, no ego left to connect to. I'd assume (I'm not enlightened)

May the force be with you

Ok cool, I've been studying this. The reason Buddhists call loads of things "delusions" is because it is all connected to the primary delusion that you actually exist. Think of it like this, on your death bed, would you still feel the same about whatever is causing trouble. Whether it's family issues, taxes, bullies at school, life situations. If your on your death bed, things lose a certain importance and thus cause less suffering. The same could be said of positive things, if someone hands you 100k in cash, while your dying you'll not be filled with joy if you know your truly dying. At most you'll just focus on the person's kindness but the cash itself has about the same amount of value as a lump of soil. I don't know if it would be accurate to say that suffering is an illusion, it's still quite real...but it is build on illusions, primarily the illusion that you will live forever. Taking it further, you never actually existed and all pain you feel is not something that is actually yours, it's disconnected from you because there is no you. The ego will react violently and painfully to pain, but if you pay close attention you will realise that that was never you. You remain untouched by pain. Certain calibres of pain and fear actually cause this recognition...which is why you have phrases like "I was so scared I was beside myself." Or "I nearly jumped out of my skin." It's not you who's suffering The only caveat id add here is that you do still need to allow the ego to deal with certain pains if, for example, it's too much and it can't function normally. In these situations you do need to take action, sometimes powerfully. And be gentle with the lower self and avoid mentally blocking yourself from the pain. It will take intuition and skill to differentiate between what I'm describing and normal denial/repression. Ater and even before enlightenment occurs, you will need to connect with the ego to stay healthy, just keep in the back of your mind that the ego you allow yourself to continue to fully connect with, is not you

Ah here we are @Sugarcoat

Here's some more points I found @Sugarcoat - trump falsely accused Zelenskiy of being a dictator who only wants to prolong the "gravy train" of US financial support. This likely comes from trump's America first ideology that focuses on centralising power in the US. Ironically he accused Zelenskiy of being a money grabbing dictator because he just wanted to keep the money for America and let Ukraine die. Trump himself displays characteristics of becoming a dictator himself. - trump sympathises with Putin calling him "genius" when he Invaded Ukraine. He probably believes Russia is more powerful and thus is safer to befriend. It's possible that trump thinks that by publicly respecting Putin (openly saying he respects him after saying he's a "killer" because basically nobody's perfect) he thinks he can manipulate Putin or ease a nuclear power. In reality this encourages corrupt dictators to take power, seeing they will be respected only when they are corrupt and powerful. It also harms ally relations and publicly promotes the support of literal corruption. - trump coin and the ways it's manipulated to bring wealth to the trumps. - trump spreads distrust in media outlets and divides the USA even more. Of course the media has its own corruption but instead of tackling it democratically with valid points, it seems he just uses his presidential position to discredit anyone who disagrees with him including judges, police and media etc. This spreads uncertainty, confusion and division. - indirect racism. A lot of his policies will be indirectly racist, harming ethnic minorities the most. Thins like canceling or cutting funds to low income housing help financial systems and medical benefit systems. - he insulted Serge F. Kovaleski, a disabled reporter, In November 2015, at a rally in South Carolina. He mimicked the reporters bodily language which was physically disabled and said “Poor guy … you’ve got to see this guy … I don’t remember what I said …” - In 2020, Trump criticised certain housing policies (Obama administration rules about fair housing) and said that “low-income housing” and minorities moving into suburbs were “ruining this American dream for everybody.” - according to some reporters trump wants to move a luxury Boeing 747-8 jet (valued at roughly US$400 million that was gifted to the US gov to serve as air force one) into his own private library after his presidency concludes. - trump admin forced children and their parents to be separated for prolonged periods. In 2018, the Trump administration implemented the “zero tolerance” policy — prosecuting all adults who crossed the border illegally. Since children couldn’t be held in federal jails, thousands were placed in government shelters while parents were prosecuted. Scale: Roughly 5,500–5,800 children were separated from their parents between 2017–2018. Trump eventually then forcibly retracted the blanket separation after a backlash. _______________________________________________ Each of these points appear to cause far more collateral damage in the periphery because it's basically just straight corruption and racism designed to give him and other upper class Americans more money while segregating less powerful or non-caucasian individuals into an "other" category. Each point extends far into the fabric of society and seem to cause many other secondary, tertiary, etc, problems. Primarily about getting more money for rich people and not "ruining the American dream" by helping less fortunate people. Bonus note: psychological evolution = political evolution This points to the impracticality of the standard political compass. A lot of confusion comes from terms like "social democrat" and "democratic socialist" which means two completely different things. Because political evolution is inexorably intertwined with psychological evolution, arguably a better (perhaps streamlined) model to use is spiral dynamics. Much more linear and simplified. Which easily harmonises with itself with simple extra additive understandings, like a person can be more than one colour and in different areas. I might even go as far to say that all of politics may be understandable through the lense of psychology. Almost like politics is psychology, realised. and that it can be dangerous to express opposing beliefs about a stage blue political authoritarian president in risk of being cancelled...

@Leo Gura can you give us some reference points or resources. Do the political books in the booklist cover this?

@Hojo yeah bro, the srimad bagavatam cantos are more powerful. They have blessings or some shit. Some kind of mystical power. They're different to the bagavad gita, they explain it more. Reading the bagavad gita as a non-scholar is kinda like reading the bible as a non scholar. You won't get much of it. Maybe 10% absolute max. https://ebay.us/m/Rly0OK https://ebay.us/m/QHoJhV It's seriously interesting. I'm currently absorbing Buddhism so don't Wana mix it up too much. But will defo be working through these books eventually

Truly epic, nice. Could imagine something like this in the background would amp it up

If you want a religion to check out I highly recommend Hare Krishna's. They secretly have a massive key to God. They're in love. Check out the different srimad bagavatam cantos (the study versions of the bagavad gita). They're directly laced with mystical power. When I look at those pages it's like they're moving in front of my eyes. I actually can't read more of them yet...comfortably.

I think he's talking about the true definition of happy. The kind of happiness that can overwhelm and overpower to the point of serious trauma if someone isn't ready for it