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GOD is the director and he's got a HUGE PLOTTWIST up its sleeve. Prepare to get mindfucked

@Water by the River I agree that there is a point where the suffering and seeking, that's a result of being identified as a separate entity from the rest, ends and true exploration finally begins. But that's not the final awakening. You're just assuming that because you can't conceive of anything that could be beyond that. If it was final you wouldn't be here anymore and we couldn't have this discussion. You realized your true nature, congratulations, but why are there still people that haven't? How can there be different people with that awakening that all disagree with each other? How can it be that I disagree with you? It's essentially disagreeing with yourself, isn't it? You don't have all the pieces of the puzzle because you're still human. Humanity is one. If just one human hasn't awoken yet we're not done here. Because that means YOU are not fully awoken. If awakening is optional, did you have to awaken? Why did you, if it's perfect anyway? Aren't you able to enjoy the whole process more now? That seems pretty amazing to not do it tbh, doesn't it? There's a direction, evolution. You would choose awakening every time, as soon as you're conscious enough. How can you deny that process that clearly has a direction?

Every breath you take And every move you make Every bond you break Every step you take I'll be watching you Every single day And every word you say Every game you play Every night you stay I'll be watching you Oh, can't you see You belong to me? How my poor heart aches With every step you take?

@Bobby_2021 It's true that all is equally perfect. God doesn't move from imperfection to perfection, it moves from perfection to perfection. This perfection is furthermore far more profound than you realize right now. It has a structure, a harmony, it's like an orchestra playing the greatest symphony ever invented. Every dissonance is exactly as it should be and constitutes Beauty. You can take nothing away and you can't add anything to it. Even that would be equally perfect But it's not random! That's also part of the perfection. A symphony isn't random noises, its structure is equally important to the whole as its content, there's actually no difference. The only reason you may feel otherwise is because your understanding hasn't penetrated into Perfection, Beauty & Love enough yet. But even that is part of Perfection.

It’s not about avoiding pain, it’s about going into the darkness and raising consciousness that way, because you realize you are the Light. All shadows dissipate, illusion is seen through and consciousness remains. Running away LOWERS your consciousness.

I spend way less time listening to music than in the past. In the past it was like stimulating background noise. But when I listen to music nowadays I do it much more intently. It’s an activity that requires my whole attention. Also being a musician changed the way I perceive music a lot. In my school days I remember training listening to complex music and learning to appreciate it. It was like a meditation and mental exercise. After I listened to music on psychedelics for the first time I wanted to be able to have that experience sober, too. It worked and changed my relationship to music permanently. In my opinion this, if anything, increased my intelligence.

Because it chooses so. It could awaken right now, but then we wouldn't be here. There's no need to hurry. It's about the process. We love ALL of it, the delusion, the suffering, the awakenings, the red herrings, the doubt, the ecstacy, the misunderstandings, the epiphanies, the disputes and disagreements, all the frustrations and all the joys and pleasures. We're gonna do it, the process will keep unfolding itself and TOTAL Awakening will happen, that's not just individual but COLLECTIVE. And then we're gonna do it all over again. That's the dance of God. Welcome to Eternity.

@Razard86 Jury is still out on that one ? Of course it's all imaginary.. but that doesn't stop it from being real. I know you know that. That doesn't stop us from being deluded. We're all in the same boat here. Worse than being deluded are people that claim they aren't, that's a whole 'nother stage of delusion. Is the distinction between delusion and truth imaginary? Of course, but so is the distinction between imagination and reality. Alls I'm saying is: We're not done here. And that's actually beautiful. There IS reason to get mad out of love. It's about breaking through our collective complacency.

There are also states that contain other states. There's the perspective of the Godhead which contains all other perspectives. There also have to be perspectives that exclude all other perspectives, or else the Godhead wouldn't be able to have any perspective, because to have the perspective of all perspectives, there needs to be the possibility to experience those in the first place. So what are we? Are we the Godhead having all perspectives at once or are we the human having only one very specific perspective and experience? Of course both, but right now there seems to be only this experience. It's like seasons or a kind of day/night cycle. Now you see it, now you don't. Both realities are dependent on each other.

LOVE is everything. But LOVE is not necessarily what humans call love. LOVE is equally terrifying and can traumatize you, if you access too much of it at once when you're not ready. There are levels of LOVE too great to experience as a human, because it would destroy you. Think of it like electricity. Your body/mind is a conductor for this electricity. The more open you are, the more can flow through you, but there's a limit simply through the fact that you're human, kind of like a maximum capacity. But depending on your training and state it varies a huge amount. LOVE is also war, famine, torture, child rape, etc. because it literally created EVERYTHING. Think about that.. But it only seems like a mistake from your human perspective, it's actually a necessary part of LOVE, and it's possible becoming aware of that.

I would never call myself enlightened. but if your so-called enlightenment leads to not caring what happens here - because it is just a dream and an illusion, all that’s left is to explore, but who cares - I DON‘T WANT IT! How could this be the highest thing of it turns me in some sort of content nihilist that tells others that „they didn’t get it yet“, but if they did, they would stop being passionate and just stay in that enlightened Xanax-haze. THAT‘S NOT LOVE! I don’t feel compassion and realness there, it just feels so pretentious. This can not be IT. Where’s the LOVE? Fuck enlightenment — Do you know LOVE? If it’s not LOVE it’s worth NOTHING.

I like that point of view

Okay I thought about what’s my point.. everything is the Absolute and it’s me, I agree, there’s nothing but exploration of the infinite mystery, also agreed, so what are we even disagreeing on? That there is EVOLUTION and it matters a LOT. It’s not even guaranteed that we’re gonna make it on this planet. That we squander our chance. And that would be a tragedy of proportions you can’t even imagine.

You’re right I fell into the old paradigm a bit. Sometimes hard to stay aloof around all this gaslighting Suffering is actually a consequence of falsehood.

I can. Because when you feel it I feel it, there's no difference, our separation is an illusion. Not me in the sense of this human form, but me as consciousness itself.

In an absolute sense it's imaginary, because it doesn't affect what you are. The Absolute dreams all different kinds of relativity. But the Absolute is ultimately the eternal Truth, dreams are temporary and change all the time. Mistaking the dream for reality (meaning: mistaking yourself for the dream character) leads to the experience of suffering, when in fact your true Self is unbothered by everything that happens in the dream - even when you may have forgotten that you are the dreamer.

The exploration is never finished, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it. There's nothing else to do. And besides, it's the greatest pleasure to explore the infinite beauty of God. Welcome to Eternity

You can experience all of them, but they remain a mystery. They are all part of the greater mystery... that is you. But you can explore and understand all of those phenomena in arbitrary great detail. You're in fact eternally exploring yourself.

@Someone here Everything is completely imaginary. Because we have to use human language the term "dream" comes closest.

Wrong. Do you know your body? You may not know how it works exactly on a conceptual level, but you can become directly aware of it. Do you know the color red? Do you know what a rose smells like? Do you know what a piano sounds like? Do you know how it feels when you're in love? Do you know what sadness feels like? Different kinds of sadness? Different kinds of love? A joyful summer day? A gloomy winter night? There are a lot of things to become aware of

Well, the first question is: What IS you?

Your hasty diagnosis is a defense mechanism of your ego, because now you don't have to take anything I say seriously. Notice that I don't claim to know what you experienced or are awakened too. I'm just claiming that no one has arrived at any final destination, and those who say they did are deluding themselves. Edit: Thank you.

The distinction between structure and content is imaginary. Lol. It's not trivial. That's my whole point. Pre/Post fallacy. I'm pretty sure you misunderstood me. Stop gaslighting me you don't know what I had and what not. I'm completely aware that this is the Absolute, it's everything there is, and it's me.

The Truth changes everything.

Yep, you can. But that's only the beginning. You can not only dream different dreams, the quality of the dream can change as well - aka your level of consciousness. There are levels of consciousness way beyond what anyone has experienced yet. And that's not just a trivial fact that's a complete game-changer. One advantage of the psychedelic path is that that's utterly unambiguous.