Etherial Cat

Right... But that's the question of how do we articulate between individual responsibility and collective responsibilty in general. And I'm making here a specific point about how black women are being scapegoated. So your comment is not very welcome on my end, because you are creating a second issue for me to debate. Imagine trying to explain systemic racism to someone and being done explaining why black male are subject to a high incarceration rate, when someone comes and give fuel for more work for you bringing this kind of issues.

No problem, apologies accepted. These aren't uncomfortable truths, but talking points designed first and foremost to blame the black community and especially black women for what is another consequence of systemic racism and intergenerational traumas.

Because of these posts and threads? C'mon, we all still love you. Don't feel bad. The difficulty is all there; trying to help bring awareness to blind spot so things get eventually better. The process is painful. You're not bad for not knowing what you don't know. We all find ourself in your position. I've been there too.

I'm also an academic who studied political sciences in college before graduating from law school. So I attended a fair amount of lecture on the subject on top of reading extensively about the topic. But I am curious on knowing what makes you trust so much in your own authority?

The point is that as a black person, I have cultural knowledge and mileage within the black community which far exceed yours. How many hours of black content and experience have you been going through your entire life? I'm quoting you from the other thread. How can you possibly write down stuff like that and think we can take you seriously?

@Raptorsin7 Dude, you're talking about stuff you had probably no idea about before discovering Kevin Samuel. I'm not arguing on the same level as you here; I am actually black while you aren't. So I've got first hand experience on the matter. Your level of delusion here is unfortunately very high, so I'll quit. One would assume that after being called out by several people and having your last thread locked by moderator for sexism and racism, you'd get the modesty to reconsider your perspective but it seems like it won't be enough.

I am shaming you for dehumanizing black women and for your arrogance. If you'd read multiple threads using your group as a scapegoat, would you think it is fair to have on top of suffering their ignorance having to debate them to prove your people are not the problem? What if you'd be repeatedly confronted to this type of situation and it would emotionally taxing on top of taking a lot of time away from your daily tasks? I could spend my evening writing post on the content level, but seeing your previous entries on the matter, I am already aware you've got little understanding of systemic racism and sexism. And you don't seem to be particularly open-minded or interested in anything else than confirmation bias due to how you've replied to other members. For this reason, it's just been faster to skip the content and go straight to the point. When you think about it, what black woman do is not your problem. Unless you are dating one, you should be working on yourself instead of trying to tell a group you've got no business with how they should behave. Black women in America are and have been at the receiving end of extreme social violence. There is an awful of trauma going on there. Advocating for stripping whatever power they've got like Kevin Samuels just reek of revengeful, insecure masculinity. Men in their Divine Masculine energy do not enjoy humiliating women, especially not marginalized one from their own community. But those with a disintegrated anima certainly do... Kevin Samuels and his ideas are not worth my time. Though, I am sure you capable of better than that which is why I suggest you to find another source as this guy, because he will NOT help you. His whole audience is based on insecure men trying to bring down women because they feel deep within they are out of reach.

I am not engaging with your points on the content level, as I simply don't have time to invest to do so. Bringing up a perspective doesn't compel others to refute your points, nor does it put the burden of proof on us.

I am sorry- would you be kind enough to let me know why you think I am being dishonest?

You're attracted to Kevin Samuels's content because your resonate with him on the shadow level. That's why you are getting so hooked.

@Raptorsin7 You're not black and you're not a woman as far as I know. So what's this fixation about? How is that you are spending your time writings threads and numerous posts on this subject? Feeling entitled to write two posts about how black women are the root of evil in the black community doesn't make you a light bringer, but a Dunning-Kruger falling into both the pitfall of racism and misogynie. What I see is that black women have only your contempt and you're currently spending your time claiming all we need is more control and dehumanization. Escaping the lovelessness of people like you and Kevin Samuels is the main reason why black women in the US are forced to hustle their way from vulnerable position to safety. You should be embarrassed for writing such horrors and dismissing as biased all the people who told you your reasoning was problematic. You're currently part of the problem, not the solution. The good thing is: you can help everyone including yourself by trying to solve your relationship with femininity and check out for some potential racism based self-hatred. Misogynoire is to be found both at this intersection, so you've got a perfect spot to work on.

Even more interesting : https://www.reddit.com/r/exredpill/comments/rm0kbt/comment/hplnlzx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 @Raptorsin7

@Ulax That's because you believe you need to accumulate social "proof of worth" in order to become loveable. Nothing is ever enough, nor will be ever enough. It will just cause you restlessness, and if you succeed an ego inflation. Because what you have done is that you are delegating your love authority outwards. And it's pretty normal, because this is how we all grow up. Real love is to be found within. It's available now and it is unconditional. I have this theory that the more one find itself unloveable, the less it is capable of finding the present moment bearable. And all goals and tasks are completed hastily because the mind is always searching fulfillement and the affection somewhere in the future. And the present moment becomes an obstacle towards the love we are searching. Now, it doesn't mean you should stop achieving. But you should be mindful of the shadow motivations behind all the actions you take.

@Raphael Ce que je voulais dire, c'est que malgré les difficultés et l'instabilité sous-jacente qu'apportent ces challenges, il me parait que tu réponds "bien" et manière adaptée. Les circonstances extérieures, les épreuves par lesquelles tu passes etc, font parties du processus de guérison et d'auto-découverte. C'est normal de tout déconstruire, et clear up le karma qu'on avait accumulé jusqu'à là, dès le moment où on devient assez développé pour le faire. C'est en somme ce qui t'arrive. Oui, je comprends. J'ai aussi un vague problème de discipline (qui semble néanmoins enfin se résorber! ). Pour ma part, c'est l'effet inverse. Je viens d'une société hyper discipliné ( et de même pour mon environnement familial proche) qui m'a vite donnée une impression d'être annihilée en temps que personne. Faut aussi ajouter un père absent et instable dans sa vie, qui n'a pas eu la chance de projeter un modèle de qualité de l'éternel masculin... Je vois deux choses qui marchent pour moi: 1) Réussir le plus vite possible à diminuer "le reach" qu'on sur toi les gens qui t'abusent psychologiquement et t'empêchent d'être toi-même en diminuant au strict minimum les possibilités d'empiètements de tes boundaries. Cad être assez indépendant pour ne pas avoir à continuer d'accepter des vexations. 2) Le pardon. Couplé à de la mindfulness, du non-jugement authentique et une bonne habilité à voir au-delà des actes de brimades et de la violence que l'on t'a infligé. Réussir à avoir de la compassion pour les gens qui t'ont traumatisé en te rendant compte qu'ils étaient pas capables de mieux et qu'ils sont les premières victimes de leur ignorance, c'est vraiment salvateur! Je souffre aussi d'un très sévère cas du syndrome de l'imposteur. C'est pas compliqué ce truc: c'est quand tu as basé ta personnalité dès l'enfance sur un sens de toi-même ultra-négatif. C'est dû à mon avis au fait que les enfants ne sont pas capables de se rendre compte que leur environnement est toxic et internalise la violence qu'ils subissent comme étant de leur faute. Les psychologues de la théorie de l'attachement le savent bien. Il est obligatoire de se dire que si les choses qui nous arrivent arrivent, c'est pas de la faute des autres, mais c'est la nôtre. On doit être mauvais. Résultat -> image de soi "pétée" Je pense que l'image de soi en fait est une projection "externe" d'un phénomène encore plus "interne" avec des émotions résiduelles et des systèmes de croyances sous-jacents ancrés extrêmement profondément... Ouais, je vois de quoi tu veux parler. Pour ma part, c'est pensée en arborescence, un goût pour la métaphysique depuis l'enfance, et des états de conscience modifiés qui me tombent sur la tête sans que je demande rien. En plus d'un besoin perpétuel d'étendre ma conscience comme une sorte d'assoiffée perdue dans un désert de souffrance! Les insights et les prises de consciences en tout genre parsèment mon quotidien sans que je recherche trop. Ou bien si je le fais, c'est tellement normal que je pull des heures et des heures de ce qui semble être du travail pour les autres comme étant simplement mon hobby.. Ouais, c'est exactement l'équilibre idéal que je cherche à trouver en ce moment. Je suis d'accord avec l'ensemble de tes arguments, et c'est vraiment hilarant que tu mentionnes le besoin passé de refouler les émotions pour survivre, car ça a été un majeur aspect de la reflexion que j'ai eu à ce sujet dans les derniers jours. Disons qu'il y a un moment pour tout. Et les deux aspects doivent être honorés d'une manière ou bien d'une autre. Ce qui semble bien marcher pour moi en ce moment est de visualiser mon coté masculin comme étant le protecteur de mon coté féminin et mon coté féminin le guérisseur de mon coté masculin.

@Raphael Au fait, je voulais te demander... Toi qui semble si aisément t'organiser et te discipliner, tu pourrais m'éclairer sur un point? Comment fais-tu pour constamment atteindre tes objectifs tout en continuant un travail profond sur toi-même? Je me rends compte que j'ai des difficultés ce soir à travailler sur mes tâches (très axées sur le logos) et atteindre mes objectifs, alors qu'en même temps je viens de me faire soudainement rattraper par une sorte de mélancolie. Toi qui semble si constant, tu fais comment? Tu passes simplement outre ce genre d'émotions pendant ton travail?

Cool, merci! Je vais essayer regarder cette vidéo. J'ai encore 2-3 trucs à faire ce soir pour ne pas prendre trop de retard sur mon programme . Ce que je voulais dire par manière organique; que quelque chose est auto-généré, auto-réalisé parce qu'un déclic interne se crée tout seul. Oui, moi aussi j'ai l'impression d'avoir une vague idée de qui lis mes journaux. Je n'aime pas trop ça, parce que j'ai l'impression qu'il y a pas mal de voyeurisme et que je me demande si tout le monde est si bien intentionné, au vu de certains comportements auxquels j'ai eu l'honneur d'être confrontés. J'essaye cependant de me focaliser sur les aspects positifs et d'ignorer ce genre de rififi à 2 balles. Cela dit, je te trouve loin d'être très controversial. Tu me paraît très sain et apprécié sur le forum. ? Je vois pas non plus nécessairement en quoi tu donnerais excessivement des coups dans la fourmillère, si ce n'est les derniers journaux que tu as posté !

@Raptorsin7 If two parents realize they are incompatible and their marriage and/or relationship is broken, the best for everyone (including their children) is that they separate. Why? Because the two parents are going to keep on being in conflict. It is going to affect their mood, needs and growth, and teach their children pretenses are more important than their subjective truth. Because pretenses and playing a role is how you cope with maintaining something which doesn't feel true otherwise. This is already a broken home. The best is if both parents start co-parenting and work on their individuation. Of course a father is important. But you can be a good father despite of your marriage/relationship status. As per putting label and assuming /judging the father and mother are shitty humans for having children out of a functioning mariage... Does it feel really fair to you? Most humans are trying to figure out life and can simply evolve in different ways as they grow and mature.

Il semble qu'il y ait un fort phénomène de vase communicant sur ce forum, et une certaine perméabilité des idées. C'est assez intéressant. Je sais pas si ca vient du fait qu'on réalise tous les mêmes chose de manière plus ou moins organique ou bien si on s'influence en lisant les postes d'autrui. J'imagine que c'est un mix des deux?

Je me reconnais tellement dans ce que tu écris ces derniers jours. C'est flippant! Lire tes posts me donne l'impression qu'on a pas mal des mêmes traumas, problèmes et vues. Aussi, je trouve qu'on est pas mal au même stade de développement.

Because solide power structures do not only need to be built, they also need to be maintained. A nation state is unified through a process that takes centuries of cohesion and social unification. A good nation state is created out of a defensible territory, a culturally rather homogenous population and capable leadership/government. Empires tend to spread far out of an initial nation state, swallow up different cultural nations/tribes/cultural ego and fail at both keeping the territory and create a new sense of cohesion between the different populations because the power structure do not last long enough to make the two former element possible. As a consequence, at the first occasion the added territories are lost and the collective egos reclaim their former identity and sovereignty. Also, nowadays, de facto empire that holds power are smart and do not call themselves empires, but third party countries or partners. They like better to frame themselves like that, because the word empire is badly connoted and they can anyway get all the advantages of being an empire without the disadvantages. For instance, the US is obviously an empire. That's why we still talk a lot of concepts like imperalism and neo-colonialism. If you had a European perspective, you would likely see the EU as a corrupt, defunct and doomed structure which needs to desperately hold for geopolitical and military reasons. They do a fantastic job at greenwashing and trying to pass as a progressive IO, but underneath the image it is unfortunately rather an undemocratic, technocratic mess, dismantling slowly social progress to align with more neoliberalism. Also, some toxic Blue states like Poland and Hungary have major SD level differences with other member states ( ex: Netherlands, Sweden, Finland, Germany). For instance, Poland just banned abortion and is weaponizing migrants. Also, they are rejecting the supremacy and judgments of the European court of justice. So the EU is facing full frontal dissidence by this specific memberstate. Another important point to understand is that European nations states have strong agendas against one another. And due to how the treaties functions, major decisions need to be taken at the unanimity. And in the current circumstances, no one will move towards more power for the EU. So everyone is paralyzed. It's like trying to get Blue states like Califonia and New York to renew their vows with Alabama and Kentucky.

Interesting discussion. Before clicking on this thread I was analyzing my internalized sense of shame and noticed it stem from an environment where I've felt constantly criticized for being different than other's people expectations. It got me to constantly look at myself through an external gaze, try to mold myself into what other people want, and deeply feel like I need to apologize for the way I am. ?‍♀️ And what lead first to reflecting on this subject was reading Raphael's thread on why he took a break from Actualized.org. He has been seeing exactly what I have been starting to notice: this website is full of traumatized people, seeking self-actualization to finally make themselves acceptable. We are all valid as we are. Imperfect, figuring stuff out. We already are totally loveable and just need to finally know this is true, after having spent so much time believing we weren't enough and needed to earn it. Realizing this is easier said than known, but recognizing it is already a major step.

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Yeah, I mean a lot of cases can be thought about to illustrate why these theories might seem somewhat unfair. For instance, what about someone who'd give up on life after a car accident, after witnessing their whole family die before their eyes? Perhaps they could have fought harder for their life, had quite an okay chance to make it, but just decide not to keep trying to live. Is it some form of suicide? "Weakness" of character? Bad combination of physically objective and subjective circumstances? Is it really that bad to decide to leave, in such circumstances? Wouldn't it have killed most humans put externally in the same circumstances? Potentially even spiritual masters? Somehow, it seems to be also the case with young girls killing themselves. I've got the chills thinking of someone like Amanda Todd and accepting throughout whatever theory she's got karma to expurgate somewhere in limbo, after obviously she died from life challenges and circumstances exceeding from far what most teenagers are equipped to deal with. What happened to her was enough of a hell. Assuming cosmic justice needs now for her to rot in hell for taking her life feels wrong AF . Karma really puzzles me too. It's really a though piece!

Nice insight. Thanks for sharing. @ValiantSalvatore Thanks to you too!

There are various interpretation about what happens when one dies, let alone with suicide. I'll just say that it is quite common to more or less decide to go, especially when you are old and the end is near. Sometimes, the frontier between suicide and a natural death isn't so easy to distinguish. An exemple is when you've got a degenerative terminal illness and you decide to stop it there before it turns you into a legume. My country has one of the most liberal practices when it comes to end of life, and it doesn't seem correct to assume all people who decide on when and how to end their lives are necessarily creating dense karma for themselves.