Etherial Cat

So, there's this video game going viral that lets men experience life as Nina, a housewife, through a simulator. It has an interesting plot twist, and I thought I'd share it here in case anyone feels like giving it a try. No gender wars, no debates. My only takeaway from the reactions and Twitch streams I've seen is that most men wouldn't enjoy being in the position of a financially dependent homemaker. Anyone curious enough to give it a go? Who is gonna kill it at being a housewive ? Free demo (Steam): Link Full game (Steam): Link The demo is free, supports English and is available for Windows.

@Leo Gura God has your trust and your back, and that's a big one. And also, thanks for your answers. I appreciate it.

What would you accept to trust your husband with, and to what point ? Submissive sounds like going against one's will/decision process to me. If not, that's not being submissive but enjoying/being cool with the ride.

I'm genuinely curious about your perspective on this. If you were a woman considering marriage and raising children, what proportion of potential partners do you think you'd feel comfortable entrusting with the responsibility of providing for you and your children, particularly if that meant becoming financially dependent on them? I'm interested in how you'd approach that decision yourself.

@enchanted Shouldn't have snapped like that. Sorry. You just wanted to share and your comment wasn't even directed at me.

@Basman You're confusing feminism as a modern political movement with egalitarianism as a form of social organization. I never claimed hunter-gatherers were feminists. And the existence of gendered divisions of labor doesn't contradict relative egalitarianism. Nor is egalitarianism necessarily altruistic. Societies can develop mechanisms that limit domination because those arrangements serve their members' interests. As for slavery, you're actually illustrating my point. The fact that an institution was normalized for centuries doesn't make it an immutable feature of human nature. My argument is simply that social arrangements emerge under particular material and historical conditions, evolve, and can eventually disappear. You're arguing against a romanticized version of my position that I never expressed. @enchanted I've already watched numerous videos and read extensively about the historical origins of patriarchal societies. I've also attended university courses on the subject, including the history of law from archaic times to the present, studied patriarchal legal systems such as Roman law in depth, and examined their evolution into modern continental legal systems. I've also explored broader theoretical frameworks and meta-theories like Ken Wilber. I consider myself reasonably well-informed on the subject and don't particularly need to be lectured about it. But thank you, I am sure you only meant good.

Feminism emerged after humanity had gone through a long historical cycle of patriarchal social organization, stretching from the rise of agrarian societies to the Industrial Revolution. Earlier hunter-gatherer societies were often considerably more egalitarian, and some prehistoric cultures may even have worshipped a Great Goddess or other female deities. A lot of people look at how societies are organized through the narrow lens of the historical period we've only recently emerged from, mistaking it for some universal, timeless norm. But it was just one particular form of social organization, shaped by specific historical and material conditions, rather than an immutable feature of human nature.

Seems like progress is back on the timeline, and that progress changes gender roles as a matter of survival.

What bothers me most is that relationships are inherently uncertain. People evolve, feelings change, relationships transform, and circumstances shift. That's why I don't think anyone should make their long-term survival dependent on the stability of a romantic relationship. Financial dependence is a risk in itself, one that I'm personally unwilling to take. And I suspect very few people would willingly accept that degree of vulnerability outside the context of marriage or a romantic relationship. Once your financial survival depends on keeping a relationship intact, you may find yourself desperately trying to preserve something that no longer works, or tolerating situations you would otherwise find unacceptable simply because leaving isn't financially viable. Of course, marrying someone extremely wealthy who provides you with a house, a trust fund, or some other form of financial security could mitigate that risk. But even then, I think it's important to maintain the skills, resources, financial literacy, and ability to create value that allow you to navigate the world independently. People die, businesses fail, fortunes disappear, and circumstances change. As for motherhood, I actually love children, and I think contributing to creating and raising a family is an enormous privilege. I can easily imagine it being one of the most fulfilling things I could ever do. But children have two parents, and I think traditional gender roles have historically deprived men of opportunities to participate fully in raising their own children. That's a shame, because I believe both fathers and children benefit enormously from spending time together and developing a close relationship. And naturally, every hour the children spend with their father is also an hour during which their mother is free to pursue other interests, work on projects, or simply enjoy some time to herself. I personally have a strong need to create, learn, and work on projects, and I don't see why that should be incompatible with loving motherhood. There's also the fact that raising children is an evolving responsibility, not a permanent state of intensive caregiving. The early years are particularly demanding, but children gradually become more autonomous. Our role as parents evolves from providing constant care to offering guidance, support, and increasingly more freedom. And that's healthy for them, too. Children need to discover the world, develop their own identities, and become independent individuals rather than remain permanently under their mother's protective wing, however loving she may be. So I don't see motherhood as something that should require sacrificing the rest of my identity, my projects, or my financial independence. Nor do I think being a good mother means being the parent who does absolutely everything. If anything, I'd want my children to have two fully involved parents, each with a meaningful relationship with them, and each with a life and identity beyond parenthood. Ultimately, I'm not against a partner providing financial support, nor do I think every contribution to a family needs to be financially compensated. I simply don't want my ability to survive independently to depend on the continued goodwill, love, or financial stability of another person.

I didn't doubt it. I trust you on that one Yes, some men nowadays are very interested in bonding with their kids and want to be a bigger part of their life than just being the provider. It's healthy and is natural part of emotional availability. As for childbirth, I can't imagine it to be very pleasing, but the joy of holding the baby is a great reward. I am still as clueless as you are .

The game was created by Russians, so it uses kilograms, not pounds. And the character isn't an underage girl. The game is designed so that you gradually realize this particular husband is a real asshole and that you're trapped in a Groundhog Day-like situation, with no money and the same chores to do over and over again. I read it as a way of putting the player in the shoes of someone who slowly realizes they don't want to be there anymore, doing endless chores in a relationship they no longer want to be in, especially once they understand just how bad the situation actually is. This design speeds up the emotional process of really not wanting to be there anymore, and feeling trapped. That's much more common, unfortunately.

Environment and labour changes have occurred so much that the division of labor is in need for reorganization. Also, no way that I am not earning my own money and not doing stuff with my 2Blaws and my Mlaws. Plus I am ingenious and can create way too much value to stay at home. It would be a waste of resources. Plus, as I said earlier I don't like it.

I still do manage to cook wholesome, fresh food in very little time. As an exemple, yesterday I tossed vegetables in my air fryer after wrapping them in tin foil and it's ready in 15mn. Or If I want something fancier, I'll use the thermomix. I am a decent cook, and there was a time I enjoyed backing. But I currently have little time and energy for that due to focusing on my professional life. - One of my aunt maintain her house and cooks really good, but she has barely no money of her own and keeps going thanks to her benzo addiction. Behind the scene, her mariage is a catastrophy.

I never heard of that story before. Other times. Millennial men in my country tend to tell they don't want to reproduce the same experiences as their pops with their kids. More time spent with them is what they want. Which I find really good.

I think it makes sense for women to stay at home until the kids are all in school. I would want that. But once they reach that time, spending time with their father becomes really important too to develop more masculine principled skills. In my last relationship, I pictured myself dropping the kids in his office so they could learn from pops. Generally speaking, i also feel the need for creating projects, contribute to society and earning money for the family so I wouldn't want to go for being a full time stay at home mom.

Are your idea of an interesting side quest drinking booze, and spending time with one of these? Better stay home with some tea and some good book.

Yes, I hope to see more of these simulations game coming up for all kinds of experience. They are great for learning as a video game are damn good to create emotions while dealing with diverse problematic and being put in someone's shoes. It's really though, and for years I didn't even realize it myself. In my country, many women are incredible homemakers. Houses are often maintained like 5* hotels.Needless to say, I've never felt like I had the ability or stamina to do so. I hate repetitive tasks, especially the ones that do not last. I was the youngest child in my generation, and my family has a very high ratio of woman to man (my granny birthed 6/6 girls, and most of them also got girls ), so I escaped a lot of the pressure. Also I remember being 5 years old and thinking " I am not going to do any of that unpaid work shit for others, we girls are being stupid for doing that ". What I do: take care of my own stuff, and leave common areas just like I've found it before after each use! I never participate more to tasks than the common standard, and never take a leadership role in maintaining the house. I guess I protect my time by earning the reputation of being no house maker. I still do take care of house design, buy stuff, will cook when I feel like it. Will also do extra if circumstances need it, but the message is clear: I am investing my time and energy somewhere else. The maths are also clear: better outsource house tasks to a professional, and work instead. I can't even imagine how hard it is with children.

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I got PTSD. After 10 years of this nightmare, I have learned to know something even more astonishing than I dare to imagine always come with The Orange One.

Why beg, when they could do it through the tax system ? Wouldn't it be neat if "Muskrat's money" was used to fund basic public services for all people in the US? He won't need it anyway after he is offered a jailcell. Or perhaps, he might want to fund better prison equipment for all to pimp his own quarter .

😁😁😁 Sweet way to wake up

I am trying not to put my hopes to high... I've got this theory Satan himself doesn't want anything to do with Trump, which is why the orange monster got a free plot armor subscription for nearly 10 years. Please disprove the theory so I don't feel anymore that I am living in a South Park episode. My mental health will thank you later!

Likely an avoidant attachment style The good news is that there are many many great videos about it on Youtube. The bad news is that it takes a good amount of inner work to change the trend. I lost a man I really liked last year to it. The guy has sabotaged our relationship so bad he made a fuss about me not wanting to stay friends and then when I offered to meet for some coffee months later, he wasn't even able to follow up.

@Leo Gura Very cool and brave to be that curious, knowing that asking for biases is related to unconscious stuff we don't like to look at. Vulnerability vs control Trust in the power of love between humans above what is transactionnal Emotional intelligence and peaking into the unconscous (whether the personal one, or the collective one) Processing old emotions by letting them be, instead of doing some intellectual bypassing or spiritual bypassing I was offended () when you refused to drink our Great Mother Aya in its original form and decided that pharmascuha would be the superior experience. So... mostly some feminine principled elements Would be nice to look at a list and see what gives you the hicks. I personally had plenty first time I did it, and I should check where I am at now.