Galyna

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The true reason behind this is that you don’t really love a person, you love the illusion that you’ve created in your mind, your love your dream. I could relate to this. Sometimes I wonder do I love Love or real people, lol. I wish you could date that guy longer, that will be your treatment, but because it stopped all of a sudden, plus he initiated that, makes it harder for the ego. To gain freedom, do the shadow work. Realize that he is an ordinary person with his flaws, realize that you created this story, and the picture in your mind is just yours, it has nothing to do with that guy.

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If you don’t mind sharing , was it because of the psychedelic? Or any other means of achievement this state?

I have enjoyed reading your thread, the reason I told you that I am quitting talking about this particular subject was because we are running the circle. I know that I am not forced to say anything and we're just sharing thoughts, but sometimes these thoughts do not progress. For instance, people in this thread trying to make some deductions for you. Consequently, you open your mind, which is great, you agree, but then, all of the sudden you go back to the same statement you've started with. Who knows, maybe I am wrong. Ramana Maharshi had a great quote: “There is neither creation nor destruction, neither destiny nor free will, neither path nor achievement. This is the final truth.” ― Ramana Maharshi

@Someone here I am trying to read your posts as I go ??, maybe I missed something, my bad... I have a feeling that by asking somebody a question you are waiting for a click, I do the same, maybe?! But we can go only this far with questions. I am breaking my mind as well. It is time for practices. Scientific academia does not have a special ground to explain matter and consciousness , they will have to separate one from the other , but it is impossible. I am trying to say that we simply can not lean on this knowledge. ? IF this all is an infinite imagination then everything is possible, even infinite regress.

You lack some knowledge here, my friend. There is a good book by Rachel Carson "The Edge of the Sea", she explains it, being a scientists, how there are no actually any boundary between humans and Earth creatures, including water and marine life. If you prefer a male writer, Loren Eiseley is another great example when scientists and a good writer together, using various techniques to educate the reader about the origin of Earth and life on it.

With all my respect to you, I am done talking about this. I think you just enjoy talking. If this is the case, lets start another thread and maybe talk about something else. I promise I will throw something meaningful. Now, let me tell you about myself.When I argue with someone, I at least, educate myself about the facts I am going to present. If I do not know something, I will not be saying it just for the sake of saying something. ("The observer is clearly distinct from the observed.") even a quantum mechanics scientist does not know this unless he is enlightened, LOL. You have not watched my video, have you? Do you want to grow here or just talk? I am sorry but I am not interested to talk about something just for the sake of talking. I want to interact with others and learn something. Was nice talking to you. I am sorry if I am being rude. I hope you will find your answers. Hugs.

Okay, gotcha. What about a dreaming state then? Is it real? it is also in your direct experience, right? But are dreams real? Sure, all of these proofs are based on the assumption that the observer is a separate entity! And actually!!!! those proofs separate both the observer and the observation. Here is the video for you that you can not separate the observer and the observation because they are intertwined. So basically you call "real" everything that is in your direct experience, material and solid, correct? What about electromagnetic radiation? Is it real? I am not talking about the implication of the electromagnetic radiation such as UV, I am just talking about anything prior to the UV exposure.

1. Define real for me, please. What you call real? 2. When you write "I am looking for the proof", what do you mean exactly? Just talking on this forum, OR meditating, retreating, self-inquiring, contemplating? Can you please specify.

You know, once I read this book "The Labyrinth of Time" where Antony Peak makes actually a good claim. Let's take your honey example. So, the Peak says something like this: "We witness death all the time, but we have never been dead ourselves." This is so true. You really do not know and you can not know if you die from poison(or anything) or not, simply because you've never been dead before. You do not really know what will happen with your subjective reality if you take a poison. Have this thought ever occurred to you? Have you ever thought that you came into this life in a magic way and you do not really know what will happen next. You do not remember how you came here, correct? You just took other people words for this. Poisoned honey example is also weak. If you would be dead and then reborn you could use it as your proof. But you are still alive and we are just philosophizing about it. Because of this you can not trust others that much. I am not claiming anything. I am not enlightened. I am writing you my thoughts. It helps me, I do not trust others and story. I really want to verify it myself. Seat and contemplate the first time you became aware of the thought process in your mind, of others and reality. Start to connect the dots. You do not know how you came, you do not know how you go. Keep your mind open for any kind of possibility. You really do not know! Also! Another idea for you to ponder about. Do not ask others, if you do not know your own origin, you really do not know who others are. How can you trust them? I am the agent of your reality. I might be real or fake, you do not know. Just a possibility. P.S. When they say that you image reality, they mean that you do it unconsciously.

@Nahm I promise

@Nahm also I had finals this week, so next week is my break till summer semester ?

@Nahm I am almost done with one in my OneNote. I need to create a real one with glue, pictures and paper. I want to put my energy in it. I want to make it very pretty, and colorful.

@Inliytened1 yes, that is easy. I wish I would imagine my dream and it will come true like this.

Yes, I know, right! Gosh, but I want you to be real, guys! I want to be weak sometimes and want to lean on. I do not want to be a warrior all my life.

Read the book and loved it. I'd just be careful how you deliver the truth, some people are not ready and not very open to it. Expect to lose some friends, expect that it'll freak them out. It is my biggest mistake because I am very straight forward. Even people on this forum can not take it sometimes. I am making a step back now and watching actually what I am saying... I would invite others to have a genuine conversation. If you see that the person is not ready or resilient, do not push it on or continue. Telling the truth skill requires some level of sensitivity, respect, emotional intelligence and a lot of compassion. But the greatest part of it is there is nothing to lose! I see it this way: if you are being authentic (and compassionate at the same time, it is very important!) and others do not like it or not in sync with you, then the door is always open, do not look back, just move on. Hopefully you will be attracting those with the same vibe and there is a big potential to learn from those people. You must have a mental fortitude and be highly develop for this step. Radical honestly is not for weak people for sure, no offence. Also you have to be ready to really take responsibility for every word/action you say/make. To find a person like this is so rear. I, maybe, met three so far. I grew so much by just interacting with them verbally. Good luck.

@Nahm After I've posted that message I had a similar thought. I've posted it and thought to myself: what was the point of that forum, all those messages, people, replying them back, communicating that way, asking others, answering... Then, another thought had popped up: it is a part of my growth, with all its pain and suffering, probably to make me strong and to lead to some big realization.

Read another thread about debunking solipsism, Leo gave a very good explanation there, hold on, let me find it for you. "There are no others. Period. It's only you imagining stuff. But awakening is far more radical than simple solipsism." - LG Your reality is the only valid reality, please read this: "There is nothing whatsoever outside your present moment. You are just still in denial about that. If you look very precisely and carefully you will notice that all other people have been your imagination 100% of the time. Even to deny what I'm saying you must imagine a Leo! Notice that you are talking to yourself, not Leo. Awakening is a radical thing. Keep deconstructing your reality." LG So!!!! When you say that you have a very different reality from other people, do you realize that there is only one reality, right, and this reality is in your direct experience, it is yours!!!. Now! The hardest part: there is no one or nothing to lean on, there can not be any backup, do you realize this? You are alone in this work. This is one way street, my dear.

@traveler Thank you for your explanation.

@Nahm

Well, if we brutally honest, about anything can kill you. We should not blame everything on psychedelics.

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@traveler Can we talk from the imaginary person point of view, LOL? It would be easier for me to imagine this, hahahah

@Trickyp Agree 100%, people in power also fudged some data about psychedelics usage and positive influence, as nobody would benefit financially if this drug became so popular in various cultures. Alcohol industry will decline for sure, LOL.