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Sure it's possible, the question is are you willing to surrender your "egoic consciousness" hehe. I surely could leave as an awareness if I'd meditate 12 hours a day. But I'm a willing to surrender all my desires and fears to do that? Not yet definitely. Most of us aspire to be as consciouss as we can while remaining in society

Yeah, the goal is to live as Awareness and switch into person-hood if you consider there's something interesting to do with your body and mind at a particular situation.

We need more of this hardcore-just the facts Sadghuru. Nice!

I'm Soo happy for you dude!! Keep it going! I also have started meditating again and I am seeing some profound changes in all directions...after all if you are not constantly maintaining an identity, the mind/body is actually pretty intelligent and can surprise you giving you a good life ;))

@Serotoninluv Mhh. Not really. I mean yeah I can like a painting but definetely as you said no in the same way of intensity/desire. Well this "something" that I am missing seems like a "creation" of something that could be possible, yet that I've never experienced. I guess it is just another story in the mind, but I'm just shocked why it's such a strong one. Why I can't let it go as the other ones. For example is like the rest of thoughts is letting go of a simple chocolate, and this other one is like letting go of cocaine if you are a cocaine adddict.

Hi, this might sound for some people a "not a big problem" but it has caused me some serious damage in my peace the last 6 years. (The first two years been hell, the next three subsiding until not feeling this thoughts at all unless very particular occasions) The thing that worries me, is that I thought I had completely let go of this type of thoughts but today the mind again triggered this thoughts. I gotta say, I've started meditating again, so thoughts are easier than ever to let them go. I know I AM in the breath, as I AM in the thoughts. However this particular ones, which today arised, I absolutely lose the battle with them. I can not let them go. I won't. The source of this thoughts (but not sure if the cause, or if they were before in my mind/soul) is that some years ago I met a girl and I became obsessed with her. Everything about her I loved/idealized. The problem is I projected also this idealization towards everything she did or place she went etc. That cause serious pain. Everytime I thought about her or anything related with her, my mind would see it as an amazing thing, that indeed was amazing and I couldn't get it. However, I must say I have transcended my obsession or idealization with this girl a long time ago already. If I think about her now, which I rarely do, I see her as a normal person as me and I don't consider it's activities more special than mines. BUT, it seems this strange idealization energy IS STILL INSIDE ME. Today I saw walk by a girl which I already have seen a couple of times, and Bum, again the thoughts of intense idealization. I don't even know the girl. I just saw her 3 times and I find her attractive but nothing too crazy. However tonight I find myself having this crazy thoughts again, this thoughts say something like this: "This girl is absolutely special and this is like gold, you don't know what is but this girl is truly incredible and amazing and while everything else in reality is "normal" and all beings have normal value, this girl is absolutely out of that scale and actually you are incomplete and your losing something essential because you don't have what she has". The fact that my mind tells me that there's something out there with incredible valuable and super special drives me nuts. Rationally I know it doesn't make sense. However this thoughts are absolutely strange in it's nature. They acquire a reality of 100% even if they are fucking stupid. And also they come with incredible pain as "this is something amazing of reality that you are missing". It's like If I be a cocaine addict and suddenly the mind is saying me that there's this thing that is x100 better than cocaine and i can't get it.

Yesterday I remembered that when I was kid, maybe when I had 6-7 years old, and I didn't have a clue (obviously) about anything about spirituality or consciousness, I had a sort of intuition for consciousness. The intuition I am referring is that when I used to think about Death, I remember not being able to imagine how death could be possible. I used to had this sort of intuition that no matter how much I would be dead, this "Thing" that was alive (I think I was referring to the Self that is aware) couldn't be possible to this to die. That always must be "alive" and I couldn't imagine how this "Thing" that was alive in my experience could not be alive always. I couldn't imagine how it wou Of course by that time I was not referring to my physical body, I think I was referring to Awareness itself! I have totally lost it by now. Now of course if I think about death, I might get scared. Even though I've had some experiences of the Self / Awareness, I recall to memory + belief to "ground me" in that the Self / Awareness will never die. It has a taste of belief, not intuitive, relaxed, truth like the one I had when I was a child. When I was child even if I could try to imagine being dead I couldn't haha. Anybody remembers having this "intuition" when they were a child? Do you guys have an idea how to try to "invoke" this feeling? I imagine that this totally got lost with years and years of materialistic brainwashing + attachment to beliefs and ego, but oh men, this work is getting more interesting each day. I guess we see little kids and we think they are dumb but maybe they know more about life than the majority of adults do ?

@Aaron p Hi, can you tell me more about using Ketamine for consciousness work? I haven´t used it much and the times I had i´ve found it yeah a little bit habit-forming and addictive in lower-medium doses. Also it didn´t felt like it had the laser introspection or awareness as psychs. However, and out of the blue, I experienced this last time I used it last week: Which made me wonder if maybe had more potential of what I thought it had. I gotta say the previous day I´ve had done a very small amount of lsd and had some glimpses of high consciousness (but very very subtle), so probably the interaction was also the reason it happened. However I still mindblowed by how little small amount I took and had the experience I did.

I absolutely agree with everything you've said but only because I recognize that my journey is has not ended, at all. There are peak experiences, and then there is embodiment of what you experience into your daily life. I might be a dreamer, but I like to think that embodying it is having a gun pointed at you and actually don't feel any fear (although, of course, I imagine basic fear response in the body will still happen). If you do, then the ego in the inside still believes it story. Still is not consciouss. I guess this level of achievement is very high, but this doesn't mean that you won't be at peace even if you haven't reach this level. It's just a goal to keep silencing the mind more and more and let the Truth shine light into the dark delusion of the separate self.

So, to make things sort, I went out to the city and saw a girl which I know, I don't know why but this girl and one previous which I "fell in love" with, triggered/triggers me some levels of emotional pain which I couldn't put into words to just being "emotions" or "feelings" or "thoughts". IDK, I imagine is a complex mechanism of the mind and a mixture of the three of the above mixes to create a sort of really fucked up momentarily sensations which overtake absolutely my mind while it lasts. Over the time I've learned it has to be something related to low self-esteem and more conceptual neurosis of the identity, but while learning about it has given me some space and understanding, I've seen it hasn't make the "trigger" go away at all. The thing is, I couldn't handle anymore to accept how reality could produce such levels of unexplainable emotional pain inside a person. Like how the hell reality can create such strange-impossible to label emotions. So what I started to do is I surrender. I absolutely knew this couldn't be possible, even though this feeling when it arises feels as real as a chair or the color blue of the sky, I just knew this wasn't possible. So I started saying -I AM NOT THE BODY - I AM NOT EVEN THE MIND I went on for about 20 minutes straight. As the minutes went by I started to focus more on. The I AM. The I AM came with vibration. You have to realize than when this "emotions" arise , the last thing your ego wants you to is to actually let go and focus on some kind of meditation of mantra. The mind is fucking begging you to please look how real this feelings and emotions that I'm showing to you are so real! Look at this! Come here and suffer you son of a bitch! But No!! I know Love is within me! So I continue, I AM I AM..etc And then I got it. ---- + For a second everything FELT ACTUALLY FINE . My awareness INCLUDED those awful emotions into ISNESS For a second a sensation that always arised a lot of pain the last year's, WASNT PAINFUL!! IT wasn't bad! I think this is what happend: By staying in I AM (my true nature) I stepped out of the biased mind, and saw that a "negative emotion" is only negative WITHIN THE MIND!!!!! WOW! You can actually see things unbiased! In the unbiased world there's no 'bad things!! I GOOOOT IT. HAHA I wonder how is to live in this state 24/7 if staying in it for 2 seconds it's like touching the gates of heaven. My true nature rocks And yours too :))

@Nahm I was just sorting that out too

Well unfortunately it´s still the mayority of people attitude towards psychs. Recreation and fun. We here in actualized.org live in a bubble lol

I think you should be allright starting very slow. I mean sure yeah you could try weed but it´s not like it´s going to give you a understanding of an actual psychedelic trip. Not to say that weed can´t be strong, because it definetely can, but just saying, that I don´t think that you need it.

Hahaha I don´t know man but that made me laugh although I´ll tell you i wouldn´t be surprised if number 2) and 3) is correct

@Nahm I' m always trying my best to get it but you guys talk like in hieroglyphics... Although I know is the only way to go, since the map is not the territory, explicit words could never point out what I need to discover ?

@Red-White-Light Well, let me explain. The laws of physics exist whitin imagination. The laws of physics is also imagination. Basically any world that you perceive through your limited self (Mind and beliefs) will be the world Maya(illusion). Of course any invention that makes the world of Maya limited, will effectively will make Maya limited (for example, physics). For example you surely have had dreams sometimes in where you drop something and it fell off to the ground. The law of physics within the dream will actually make you unable to fly. Does that mean thay physics existed in your dream? Well, kind of. It depends on your perspective. I would say that they existed but they were not actually "real", or at least they would have lost their meaning as being categorized as a "limit". Which in my opinion is the important key to the this discussion since you probably are skeptic of Breatharians because it implies cutting through the limit of Biology laws. I think I explained myself better with this last paragraph, also pardon my first message because I was a little harsh and rude I hadn´t had coffee yet today lol.

@Red-White-Light You are imagining reality. Get over it. There's no "grounded reality" but the one you imagine to be. That's why everything that you can read in this thread COULD be possible. That doesn't mean of course that the OP could be lying and actually all breathtarians could be a scam, though, I'm just saying you need to be aware of the implicit beliefs you are projecting as "reality" or "the limits of consciousness".

Very interesting. I need to research this more. Since my glimpse of infinite consciousness, ive been eating like 50% of food and also sleeping like 2-3 hours less without no effect on energy whatsoever. In fact I feel much more energetic. I don't know if extremes are good but definitely people eat way more than they should

You can let all those thoughts go and start to inquire who is the one who has this fear.

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@Serotoninluv Do you think that I´ll have to have the attitude I had today in each of my little neurosis and shadows my mind If I want to trascend the conditional view and stay more in the unconditional? Damn, for one hand the payoff seems very promising, in the other it seems incredible difficult to get there. Like, people don´t say this, but meditation is relatively easy to maintain when you are sitting there just having a thought here or a thought there. Doing the same practice when your internal world is on fire, is another thing LOL. @cetus56 Lmao if the Ox just finds out you are talking shit about him

@Serotoninluv Yes! Yes! How can it be possible some people might say! But it´s possible! "Awful" gets created as a reaction of the mind to a particular happening of the present moment. (But i haven´t said anything new, have I )

@OmniYoga I get your point, I also have wondered the same as you, however I like to think that since I started this spiritual journey, the final destination is real sanity, far from the distorsions and interpretations of the mind. However how the road might be here from there, that I can´t assure how will it be.

@OmniYoga Because there´s common denominator for people who show traits of what we call mental illness, psychosis, or neurosis: They usually suffer tremendously and they are not definetely "in peace". In fact, that´s why we call something a "mental illness", because it shows that it´s disruptive for the life of the one who has it. In pychology there´s this "rule" that goes something like this "we call mental illness when it starts disrupting the life of the patient". From this point, of course you are right in realizing that from an outside perspective the different between an Enlightened person and a person with Psychosis are just the labels you put on each one! The thing is, the mechanism why some people are labeled as having psychosis, and others being Awake. The ones labeled as Awake, whatever crazy things they might affirm, it´s clear that their possible "mental illness" shows no traits of disfuncionality or suffering in his life, so, whatever they have, we can´t call "mental illness" anymore. People with psychosis shows clear traits of disfunctionality and suffering in his life, so we use a label of mentall illness such "psychosis".

This always wrecks my mind. I know it´s pretty stupid to try to use the mind to grasp the infinite but... when I´m talking to my mother it´s just consicousness playing act with itself? There´s really not two there? Oneness it´s literal? @Inliytened1 Sometimes I think this is just ego playing non-dual games. The more I try to do "interpretations" of my actual experience in my state of conscioussness where I´m attached to an ego, it gets more and more confusing. When the mind goes to silence, then it´s when the sky clears. I just have to remind myself more of it LOL and shut up more.