Javfly33

It´s frightening, yet profoundly liberating at the same time. I guess that´s why they call it "liberation".

If reality is imagination, does reality change when you are conscious that you are God? For example let's say you are talking over the phone with someone, if you are conscious in that moment you are God, then it wouldn't make any sense that you talk with anybody over the phone, because the "other one" would be you. However there are supposed to be enlightened beings but they seem to live a very normal life. See being enlightened doesn't mean that in that moment you are conscious that you are God, right? Only that sometime you did. So my question is, if you are conscious that you are God, imagination will change, right? For example on the example of the phone the other person should suddenly dissapear or etc... because there wouldn't be any point since you are fully consciouss there's nobody at the end of the line.

I see. So God needs to imagine that there's something outside itself so it can communicate/express itself. I think I got it. Projection is necessary since One can't communicate with itself, there must be at least TWO to communication to happen. That's why I project sentient beings and objects as God Until not long ago I had the same version yeah but, (and I don't mean to since I don't consider myself Enlightened or awakened at all) but I think there aren't any others . Is just me projecting stuff all around so a communication can take place. But lets say that they are not unconscious or consciouss, there aren't sentient beings. I am imagining them as God, just as I am imagining the wall or my body . But honestly after reading Leo's and others replies here i think it does make sense. I need to project stuff in order to create anything at all. God can't talk to itself because you need TWO to have a communication! Of course!

Interesting. I'll contemplate what you said ?

For me that doesn't make any sense. See, I see it like this. Imagine I am in my room and I suddenly start acting like my water bottle is actually a sentient being. And I start having a communication with the water bottle. Why do that? Why do the whole illusion and not just talk to myself directly?

See that's what I don't get. Why in that moment you are asking "How are you" to yourself since in that moment you know you are One?

I have tapped recently into some lucid dream and I would say that when I am consciouss it's a dream, the dream is more or less the same, nothing changes much. Only the confusion of control is removed from the character.

Have you tried it?

From the posts I read from leo, That's the whole goal of Awakening To put truth before your survival interest.

Yes. But that is a very important implication. I do make the difference between imagination and existence because notice that for example when people think "Out there is New York 3000km from here, because I visited in the past and I verified it exists" the thought exists, but the trick is that the mind actually thinks that the thought is pointing towards something real. There´s nothing outside existence, and existence can only be what it exists. New York doesn´t exist, unless it truly exists. New york can happen inside imagination, but imagination is tricky. Imagination can´t point towards existence because imagination is part of existence. Is kind of a hand trying to grab itself.

Very good Although I would warn you that you are still confusing imagination with existence. The fact that you have seen yellow doesn´t mean that yellow exists. Because existence is actual. Anything else other than actual-right now is imagination. Existence must EXIST RIGHT NOW. If not is not existence! Is imagination again! If yellow is not existing (in your current experience) then yellow doesn´t exist. Imagining the colour yellow is not the same as actually yellow existing.

Maybe take a low dose and see how you respond to it.

@VeganAwake Precisely. The question was kind of retoric for the OP so he could inquiry that imagination can only be made of absolutely nothing. Infinity doesn't need a why, or a special substance, since it has no limits precisely as imagination. Untilimited.

Yes, but that is the same as with practices. People would have to do the practice or the psychedelic and get the proof themselves. So it's not that 5-MeO-DMT is proof. It can deliver proof, but you still have to go get it yourself.

@Leo Gura The way you say "they exist" seems to imply that they actually exist as long as I imagine them. Is this what you mean? As far as I'm concerned if you imagine them they exist, but only in imagination, not in actuality. Therefore, I wouldn't say that they exist at all

I think the problem is more inclined towards "proving". It's obvious at this point that what reality is, can't be proven. If it would what the hell are we doing in this forum. We would just listen to the word and that's it But words can't grasp the whole thing of course. This is one of the most obvious things. The limitation of language, logic, or even any kind of thinking to realize something as big as infinity. The funny thing is that to get reality you need to verify it for yourself, nobody can't prove it to you. So of course science won't be able either.

What is the substance that imagination is made of?

Any drug that lower your state of consciousness like benzos, alcohol ...etc will make enlightment work more difficult. It just going to take you more time to get there. That´s why I would say minimize any substance like that in your life until you really need it or are in a very bad place in your life. Only you know if you can handle your use, but I would advice you to better don´t do benzos at all and try to have an habit of exercising to sleep well.

How do you know God won´t create another dream after being x time in this Infinite Love heaven? Isn´t that why we are all here? Because God got bored of Oneness?

I think I read it was the he couldn´t breath. He had some kind of heart condition.

@LfcCharlie4 Did something happened to him doing dry fasting? Thanks. I´m gona order some capsules tell you how it goes

@Galyna Yes. It's still good that psychedelics are becoming "mainstream" accepted . By no means it's bad news.

Why I created Leo Gura?

I just become conscious of how at the personal development level my life has been, in ALL aspects of myself that I´ve wanted to work. 1 - Illusion creates pleasure, but also suffering. 2 - Suffering drives the ego to seek Truth 3- Pleasure keeps the illusion alive, so the seeking towards Truth is still not total, but once suffering gets too much... 4- Truth removes illusion, therefore suffering 5- Truth still doesn´t stick at the first time, becase the ego is still attached to the pleasures of the illusion, here is what I call "ego-backlash", the consecuence is that there is still suffering, so depending how much stubborness or wisdom this ego has, he but will end up surrendering the illusion sooner, or later. The number 5 is usually what happens the days after a psychedelic trip. The number 4 was shown in the trip but the ego came back with his stubborness therefore we must go again to number 3. When a new non-healed/neurotic facet of yourself is discovered, you start this from number 1, unless you have some sort of level of enlightenment in which probably the wheel is different or non-existent I guess.

Or basically just Truth is enough since is the same as Love