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The tragedy is that you think you have arisen to that conclusions by you own. Until you don't see that you have just been swallowing Leo's ideology like a thirsty camel, what can I do. You are just so sure you just got it all sort it out. The ideology is perfect because you guys logic work in such a way, that just with having some experiences, you can tell yourself you got it. You arrived. Meanwhile real work is not happening, you are victim to compulsion and low stages of awareness like any other human that hasn't pick a spiritual book on their life or mediated 1 hour. I even I'm shocked you guys can NOT see this trap. But I guess that's the beauty of traps, they can't be seen from inside .

Damn, you definitely have low integrity with such a low attack. I did not expect that. Do me a favour and mind your own business and have some integrity to not use dead people as a means to try attack me. You've been repeating the same script for the past 5 years in the forum. It is disappointing.

@UnbornTao That is the issue. You are putting labels on to the gurus and assuming they are Awake as a trophy. You think being Awake is having a certain experience that leaves you "Awakened" for ever. It does not work like that. You can only be Awake in the Now. You can not grasp, hold or "save" in a closet the Awakening and claiming that a person is Awake for life. Awakening is not an understanding that you come, or a conclusion. Is an opening in your energies, and activation, a boundless state. If you lose it, that's it. The end. You can't be cheating saying "Nahhhh I'm awake but I do have some addictions here and there, damn, let me go smoke some blues...but all is alright, I'm awake! I'm God and everything is a mind yada yada". ??? You guys just don't get that having an experience and building a conceptual knowledge around it can be done by anyone. That is certainly not being Awake. Unfortunately I suspect Leo's supposed "Awakening work", is built around this structure, seeing he kinda of thinks about this topic in the same way as most of you.

So it's a conceptual trophy? @UnbornTao because if it does not transform you or give you any ability to be or exist in a different matter, then what is the point of doing it in the first place?

I want to apologise for the tone of my last message the other day, not my best forms. Some times I take this things very emotional.

I try to eat as fresh as possible but beans is something I can not get myself to cook. It just takes so much time to cook them. So when I eat them is when buy this jars of cooked beans or peas in the supermarket. But I wonder if that is really healthy. How worthy is to spend money on some food that has been sitting on a jar for maybe 2 fucking months? Like, does the body actually get something out of that food? Obviously if you are starving that kind of food is a lifesaver that why is usually packed in survival kits, but lets talk about daily life here

In you guys definition of awakening yes, awakening is not a solution. But there's not written anywhere in the universe that awakening is about doing psychedelics and having wacky experiences, saying you are god, visiting aliens, or etc. The reality is this forum understanding of the point of spiritual practices is based on an ideology built to serve the incapability of actually having mastered anything. So saying things like 'awakening does not solve suffering' serves the ideology well. When you hit 80 years old and the grave is coming, you will see how fucking laugable all of this was. If you didn't do it for make your life more beautiful blissful and withouth suffering, why the fuck did you do it for?? Oh wait, right, mr Leo and the actualised ideology. I forgot! Is all about understanding and holding memories about awakening. And then saying that even though you are awake that doesn't prevent you from addictions and suffering. Jesus, can't you guys see through the bullshit? Is pretty shocking at this point. My god I´m so out of here. Has been a pleasure. But this forum is really stucked on circles. It stinks of stuckness and stagnation. Good script of Leo. Along with the 'I am form and formless' bullshit of @Bazooka Jesus You guys are for a brutal awakening of time lost here. Bye.

@Razard86 @Jowblob I'm sad for you guys. Such a short time in the human body and you guys don't want to make a joy out of it. "If you do not do what you cannot do, that's no problem. But if you do not do what you can do, you are a tragedy". ?? It is my wish that you discover the power beyond the depressive and crushing thoughts of your ego ??

Ok ?

So you are two things? Steering wheel and You? ?

Only when I'm meditating in a certain way is clear to me that death does not exist. But then I fall into the illusion again ?

@Bazooka Jesus seems to be you still want to push a certain ideology or belief that being human comes with limitations. I respect that, but my whole message was about the fact that I have discovered some openings in the human system to go beyond the so called "unmovable limitations" of being "a limited human". Which, by the way, you are not a human. You are always Awareness/Infinity. Now you lost the panel of control of the machine and you want to say that you are limited, that's a pity. Is like... I drive my car so much one day I get identified myself with it that I came to a conclusion I'm limited to driving because that's the "nature of being a car" ??? Now you don't know how to drop the steering wheel, you believe you are the car. Now you have a problem. (Car = Human system )

?? The guy has a point though. Let's go watch YouTube videos more and meditate less @Razard86 just kidding bro, I get your point. Sorry can't unquote

What you mean by this? What is humanness?

I feel there is misconception when people talk about addiction. We are assuming that the sober dualistic compressed state of consciousness is the only possible state of consciousness that a human reside in, unless the times he/she is using a chemical or meditating. This has been proven to be false in my experience. if I can go deeper into this, I would like to say some things: (this is not aimed to your reply but just in general, maybe some to @Bazooka Jesus) I wholeheartedly disagree when people recriminate that 'chasing' this high states of consciousness is a symptom or an action of addiction. What we are (our True Nature) is constantly seeking absolute dissolution, absolute power, absolute boundlessness. Now, some people might be pursuing this limitless expansion through unconscious means: Through material achievements (becoming rich, becoming successful in business, becoming the start of your sports team...etc) Through praise to their ego (social media, fame, etc...) Through trying to 'change' the world or reach people in a special way. All of this are examples of the intrinsic human nature: "Is never enough". And it will never be enough through material means. Because subconsciously each being is trying to aim and 'include' the total Singularity. When a PUA is trying to fuck the 70th girl, that's their inner nature trying to become limitless by including more and more, but you can not fuck Infinite girls. And you can not get infinite millions And you can not get infinite fame. And you can not get infinite business success. Is only when one realizes that trying to get to infinity by material beings will never end, that one start to investigate tools and basically just focus the whole goal of their life to be and produce this states more and more habitually, making their whole focus of life that. When you touch the explosiveness, light, absolute beauty and power that becoming boundless is, the idea of going to grab a drug and get high doesn't even occur to you. It would be like enjoying a 100$ bistec while getting a blowjob and having the idea of going to eat candy under a bridge while playing Pokemon. That would be kind of the comparison between what blissful and ecstatic states of consciousness the human system is capable of connecting to, vs what a chemical is capable of. Because I have tried most of the most addictive drugs in the planet and nothing touches the states of consciousness that I´m talking about. I know that everybody that touches that becomes an 'addict' for life. But that is another kind of addiction. Is a natural addiction. The natural seeking of Nothingness to become Nothing. Of the limitless to dissolve all bounds. Is the natural state of our being. So of course every being is subconsciously seeking that. And is important to seek that consciously because if you do it unconsciously (through material means) you will burn up the planet, hurt people, do a mess in the world. The planet or humans can not be used as your infinity toy to stretch for you. You knowing how to make yourself explode into boundlessness is the only way to to go. Namastèeeee ?

That's not an addiction, that is a Love Affair for life ? @Bazooka Jesus

What does it even mean to "awaken"? You guys just pick up leo vocabulary without inspecting. This is laughable ., No offense.

@Raza Zaveri No, this is wrong. You are basically limiting everything to your 5 Senses. 5 senses are fine for survival but won't get you to the beyond. You are right there is Only One Existence ??

Notice that you are exposing kids 13-14 years old to sexual stimuli. Are you really ok with that? Like, not everything is fine just to compete in the sexual market. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I´m sure now you will say that that is not sexual. That you paint them because you like how they look and so on. Sure, fine. I´m not denying that. But let's be honest, why males don't do it? Because in human culture having your nails painted is usually related with femininity, desire, attraction, 'beauty'. So basically you are 'sexualising' a body part that is not sexual, in a free way. And at the same time traumatising Childs. Think about that for a second. Maybe you are doing an irresponsible thing here just to amp up your attraction value by 10%. Is that worth it?

man I felt that pain when he said that

Well, culture has some norms in dressing depending if you are a male or a women, wether you like it or not. Not that I support it necessarily but it is what it is. But I get you maybe in the future we can dissolve this differences. @DefinitelyNotARobot @Princess Arabia I definetely do not think that women want to get me horny but painting their toenails. But I mean more than culturally men are not supposed to paint them and women are supposed (well, not supposed, but accepted) to paint them. So that should raise you some questions. Why? Because I didn't just develop my fetishes or preferences from nothing. So I do get in a certain way what you are saying, but in another hand, I am getting vibes that you are judging my way of thinking, when my way of thinking (seeing girls painted toenails as attractive) didn't definitely came from nothing. I picked it up from the collective sexual conceptual matrix. You just might don't find it attractive because you have picked up other things in a different matter from that matrix. But we both have picked up from the same 'tank' so to speak. I accept part of my responsibility, but I don't completely buy the whole "you are the bad one, you are the pervert, society is completely fine). Meh, nope, I don't buy it. I don't think I´m guilty or 'sinful' by this. Having said that, part of this topic was a joke obviously. I am the only one "Guilty' and 'Pervert' here? Right....sure, you guys are all saints, society is fine. I am the bad one. I Am 'bad', fucked up, etc... Right. Well, I am done with you guys manipulations. I am actually the saint one. For pointing out you guys (not just women, talking about society) your devilries ways of thinking and of acting. But you want to say I am the guilty and bad here. How dare you What colour? Can you explain more about this?

I know, part of me laughed when writing this but another part of me kinda really suffers it Hahaha lmao...I'm still working on it Well, I think the line between having a foot fetish or not is difficult. Like why don't we just paint our eyebrows for that matter, I don't know. And I'm not debating the hygiene of doing manicures and pedicures. I'm debating the thing about painting them of colours. For example red colour is usually related with passion/sex, etc... A lot of women paint it red. Also, sometimes I'm envious of girls because of this. I would like to have hot feet too but I'm not going to pain my toenails because then I would not be considered a "real man". @Princess Arabia

?? ?? Only Love is real

@Princess Arabia Let me know your thoughts on this.

You are nowhere because you are nothing. But it is not a bad thing, to become absolutely nothing is the most ecstatic and intense thing it can ever happen to you, because then everything that exists becomes YOU. Being Nothing = Endless Explosion of Love.