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@Joseph Maynor but i'm not talking about enlightenment here i'm talking about god and understanding god to the best of which words can describe god what happens when you actually get it right lol?

@Joseph Maynor out of curiosity- what happens when you actually do have it lol have you ever considered that?

@ValiantSalvatore this is exactly my point, @Anderz you are a sane individual lol, you are 100% right and completely not bat-shit crazy, leo is bat-shit crazy your arguments are based on facts and things you know that are 100% true! leo is just jerking off to imagination, just like anyone else who is on this forum ahaha congrats you tell leo whats right! (p.s i'm being sarcastic and projecting, but you are wrong and your right )

@ValiantSalvatore I'm just doing an experimental test here for my own projections of reality but salvatore, do you understand that your actually a crazy, purely insane lol compared to 99.3/99.4% of the population? i only recently became aware of this by understanding how small of a percentage our viewpoints are, so i'm wondering if other non enlightened beings are able to comprehend this. anyone is free to reply, it took me 2 years to realise the magnitude of imagining the viewpoints of 3.5 million people out of 7 billion people and its very healthy for people to understand

the one thing that stood out to me in this video was the explanation of enlightenment its known in the hindu traditions as a kaligua where life is said to happen in kaliguas after the kaliguas finished, it starts again and reality starts again. similiarly this is what leo's advocating in metaphoric answers, meaning that this exact position in time, well i mean for argument sake this conscious level has already occurred, its just happening again and therefore reality itself becomes back into exsistence the difficulty behind anything to do with this is that from the start there was no change in perception, it may seem like it but in the background, what ever you held as absolute was absolute to no standards therefore its like saying whatever you believe in, comes true so for an enlightened person, the greatest thing is enlightenment for a dualistic person, the greatest thing is dualism therefore his video advocated all possible answers in my opinion for the best way to live life, which may sound like a religious rule but its true for all possible parties therefore becoming the problem of pure imagination- to no standards is anything wrong but this is where i was confused before a) does it need to improve b) do you do it out of passion and thats what i took from this video is that it boils down to finding a passion as to understand what more do you want to create to link this to the OP, its fundamentally not religion, its ironically logical, we just don't have access to his minds back reference and this is where the challenge lies, following the 8 noble paths is exactly this- its made for your own benefit but as time goes on it gets more diluted to the point where people question it. WHILST the person who spoke it understood it in relationship to the absolute, the follower has no choice but to pick it up dogmatically. The problem then changes to when there are alternative versions of the same thing- which then become their own domains and as such religions have now formed. to the best of words knowledge this is it - what leo has said, why? because it came from god himself and the highest values of a human. i say this because my vision was to do the same exact thing. my post reasoning behind this is that pure imagination itself is created via itself and therefore everything gets created thats imagined, but you need someone to translate it to mundane world and that takes reading. not everyone has the aptitude to do it- i certainly don't after understanding the magnitude and therefore it becomes a question of trust in god which then reverts back to me having to become god to believe in the first place. which now makes believing okay and dogmatic. crazy lol

i don't have to sit there thinking how interconnected the world is and how things work together, contemplating what are the absolute truth instead it was important to learn the basics to understand that meditation and other methods are the only way to get to enlightenment not with the use of your mind + the techniques its simply a case for doing the techniques for until it occurs without using the mind to wander off

its kinda slipped over my head, now that i've been in this forum a while. but just how small of a group are we. I assumed that all the others seeking enlightenment under other guru's means we are quite big. However this was disproportionate, even if thats true we are talking about a couple million of people now and even more so in the whole of human time. so what percentage are we looking at note: not only people who are enlightened, but relatively those who know abit and are actively searching i thought it might be 1% of the population, but even now that's seems quite large if you take the 15 000 people on this forum and compare it as a percentage to the world you get 0.000214285714286% so atleast were talking 0.05% max are seeking enlightenment and share the same viewpoints as us

i used to think the highest potential of a human outside being enlightened was helping others by changing the world, but i've noticed its all well and good i changed my perspective and understanding to get it right, as best as the non-enlightened state of analysis can go. however i've realisesd i don't have the missing link - passion. i don't have a particular passion i do, that when i do will change the world i.e i like thinking about reality but the truth is, i am not educated enough to teach it- its way out of my league. this eliminates the entire possibility of being my highest self and the hero's journey outside of enlightenment there is also a possibility that since the specific passion isn't there, its just an ego trait to say "ohh look i actually reached my potential as a human look how amazing i am" however, i've noticed that i like to dance and this is a passion, not a passion that can change the world so my question is: am i deluding myself to think that there is such thing as a humans highest potential and therfore should i actually spend my life doing something i enjoy rather than chase a prophecy i know that may or may not be possible. in other words should i give up my version of the highest human potential for my passion?

@Shadowraix i get that really! but its like i can't just let go and keep my view, i have to let go of the viewpoint completely and adopt the opposite view( their view) its like my system rejects it completely

@Leo Gura may i ask you a question how do you accept your friends viewpoints, knowing that they are wrong. i've said a few things to my parents and its like talking to a brick wall, not that i expect any less ofcourse. but i'm starting to build up this energetic feeling that by the power of grace, everybody in the world finds out enlightenment is an actual thing and i can then point to my parents and say i fucking told you so! this is what i meant the whole time! even imagining the situation is giving me joy beyond belief as opposed to them thinking that i've personally been brainwashed and without logic, blindly accepting what others say like the fact i am god etc.. like its obvious that you probably don't talk to them about how you see reality (those that don't know) not like fucking ralston lol, my real question is how do you tolerate what they say and be bothered to reply with an answer that you may know not to be true

@Leo Gura dude lol, EVERYTHING you say is radical man, there's no inbetween with you lol. ahaha

you know this might be my parents getting to me and doing a little projection here lol, but were actually some crazy people. LOOL literally lol all our realities have skewed so far from the general consensus that were openly talking about god not as a belief but as an experience. Its nothing like religious people - its even crazier and we are telling ourselves we aren't human :') i feel like crying that the people around me would see me as bat shit crazy for the way i think. the reality of how small of a group we are is kicking in :') buddah is one person and we see him as infinite number of people.

I've come to realise that its less and less about changing other peoples views into the correct ones or of one with more truth, when i read my thoughts, its like on one hand i could fight against other people's ideologies to your understanding of what about reality is most amazing, instead its about just showcasing your amazement and understanding of reality onto the world and nothing more. Not expression for recongition or critique however, expressing for the simple fact that you are able to express and create the world in your image itself. what are your thoughts on this?

i have a pent up energy in my body and the feeling if i translate it to words says "life itself is amazing", "look how fucking mysterious life is", "do you see this thing called life its so spectacular and i can't even understand it" this feeling is pent up in my body, its trapped in my upper torso, when i feel it, my heart warms and pumps abit faster, i feel tingly inside and i feel the need to release it but i can't release it, i feel to release it i have to get someone else to think to themselves the same exact words, look how mind blowing reality is, "look how amazing life is" and i have a problem that other people can't see or touch this level of amazement at life, it matters not to me the technical aspects of life, the hard labour, the outcomes and pursuits, i'm simply talking about the amazingness to be able to gaze at life itself and be shocked and moved straight to your core. when i was younger, i never knew what this feeling was and i still don't but i have a better understanding of it slightly , its driven underneath to want one simple thing, i want to transfer this feeling to someone else but i can't, nobody understands me when i say life and what i really mean, they think i'm talking about job, paying for bills etc, but i'm not - i'm talking about life itself and this feeling gets pent up more and more i don't know how to release it and its making me frustrated now that i've realised more what it is so my question is: does anyone else feel this feeling ?

its like the best thing i can do is express this feeling through a medium and express this feeling of life because i have to understand that nobody else will feel exactly the same as me and i will never be able to varify as we all have our invidual uniqueness aswell as oneness

some are physical some are non- physical (depression, anxiety etc) physical pnes on psychical brain may cause physical symptoms non-physical ones on physical brain are not because of the brain therefore non-physical are held by beliefs you hold exactly as physical beliefs are to physical brain and relationship causation so does 1 view it as all beliefs or physical ? paradigm dependant or truth depedant as beliefs are not stored in your brain but your actual being

@Nahm so your also saying that mental illnesses are fixed automatically by enlightenment

i categorised it different to something like alziehmers and neurodegeneration as these are real physical effects, for example saying dopamine and adhd is the causation of lack of motivation, theres always a possibility to repair your beliefs (non physical) to fix the issue, where as actual brain damage etc (physical) is something that can't be a change by a change in belief, i.e depression can be solved if you change your beliefs. these are what i call non physical, they're really to a lack of understanding.

q as above

does a duality end up being accepting one is exactly the same as the other, not taking a particular side of the argument but accepting it and then in effect ignoring it,

@Serotoninluv but what does letting go of the duality, do for the understanding of how to make a decision for example. @Inliytened1 so if theres no up and down, how do you manuever in life without directions, or do you just use it when you need to, like for you there should be no such thing as up and down

It seems that to where other people black is black and white is white , all people actually walk in the light of black is grey and white is grey in reality, however it seems to get even more complex than that when sprituality is bought into the equation as white is black, black is black, black is grey, white is white, white is black and white is grey, grey is grey, grey is white and grey is black. to add further less distinction, to people that think black is black and white is white, they have thinking mechanism where the ratio of understanding is black:white and therefore 100:0 percentwise or anything ranging in a ratio percentage that equals 100%. in sprituality everything is equal, therefore white:black:grey =x , its always equal perspective to the input you put in , and then theres the ultimate truth which is always 100% = god, so is this the reason for not poliarising yourself to extreme perspectives of white and black, thinking in more nuanced ways and actually taking the middle pathway in all aspects of life, simply as the best possible option one can take in their life, in any regards. given the middle pathway is yet only another perspective that would be shedded if you got enlightened because you get rid of the you clinging to the perspetive. NOne the less, the persepective itself is kind of the best answer you could have picked, given everything is nothingness?

i see, yeah that completely makes sense, but lets say were talking about the pain pleasure duality and enlightenment isn't an option at the point, how does your complex thinking lead you to make a decision that i should do this when it can't be filtered through this is painful/ this is pleasurable for me. its like that only leaves the option of just doing something for no coherant reason

yeah okay this makes sense, is this coming from your own experience or are you just showcasing knowledge. if the former, then how do you deal with complex thinking and deciding an answer for yourself on how to walk the middle path.

@who chit That applies to ultimate liberation and suffering, it makes sense, between pain and pleasure, the fundamentals of the middle path but how do you actually apply it in life, its always between pleasure and self mortification (self created pain) that the two extremeties lie, so for example food - extreme pleasure and reoccuring over eating due to excessive pleasure vs extreme malnurishment and unfunctioning of body, what would you consider to be the middle path of this?