Aakash

Yes this is what i'm trying to express is this the case does the pointlessness justify itself with being, when you become being. instead of me staying now and judging it because its pointlessness from the human perspective of being is pointlessness of the illusion of life and death. whats your answer?

Lets hope you guys are right and being becomes its own purpose and existence its own meaning. maybe the human conditioning is pathological to uncanny degrees

@SoonHei thanks, after reading it a second time.. it makes more sense now.. what do you think? am i prolonging the inevitable?

@Mu_ Yeah i figured it was just a stage lol, it was warned at the begginning that meaning and purpose were subjective, however when you get to the actual layer of subjectivity. Then things get too real for you its like ideology, i don't actually have an ideology except one that is invalid, but i could pretty much construct my own ideology of what life is meant to be like... we talk about unlimited freedom but when we actually get there, there is no direction for you to actually take that freedom or like you just don't know what to do with it, in my experience The things that i can control not the things i can't like general idea of what society holds as mainstreams ideology at current, just your own constructed reaction to it. its really raw How do you handle it ? channel paladians

Actually nevermind, i get it now Damn aliens , my belief system is still co opting my judgement if you say god is all powerful, then absolute infinity kinda looks pointless from human perspective imagining itself looking at it, rather than being it completely. Its very delusional now i think about it i get it now Thanks @tsuki i guess what you mentioned must be true when i do engage with the present moment (as imagination , not the actual thing ) , its a nice feeling forgetting about time and peaceful

It’s a thought experiment to understand paradox That has turned into “spirituality”

@tsuki hmmm are you not just applying your own meaning on the rawest level ? Just sit there in your own silence ”surrounding the scene” as I call it now ?

@pluto but do you see where i'm coming from lol that it's not even happening from the divine perspective its not even about letting go or it taking care of itself i'm just sitting here for eternity, doing nothing talking to myself in appearance, the event of talking to ones self is not even happening

@pluto interesting, very true

@abrakamowse Yeah, its a complicated one. Thanks

@abrakamowse but how ? is the question even if you say that there are souls created with consciousness, thats still implying there is one spirit with split into multiple forms and have their own consciousness. This still poses a problem, because all spirits are operating on their own accord by their own consciousnesss. Even if you strip the soul of all its properties, the consciousness itself undergoes multiple reincarnation. This would imply that each consciousness/ spirit is different ages. if they are different ages that means there is a start and an end. But how is all this possible and how does it really work? its not so simple as saying that the soul/ spirit is yourself and that you are god reincarnating as yourself. because that would mean there are a finite number of souls/ spirits in absolute infinity and by definition there needs to be an infinite number of reincarnation, first births and rebirths.

@Wlangr This is a level 3 consciousness interpretation, projected actuality. because your still talking about sentients beings, having souls only.

@pluto Lol okay thanks for answering the question much appreciated no need to tell a brown bear he's acting like a brown bear ... not like he'll listen

@zeroISinfinity RAVE RAVE RAVE *FIST BUMP IN THE SKY* THANKS TIME FOR MUSIC Many lyrics about enlightenment in here

@Key Elements lol it was words of advice, nothing more.

@pluto what is absolute infinity ? that is what you should be asking yourself lol

@Key Elements You do not need to know the other persons path, the path is the same for whom ever takes it and that includes the table and the chair in your room. There are variations of the path which make it more difficult. nonetheless, the result is the same. Truth for distraction This is not about following, this is about not following. I will say this, shizen young has it completely right... riding the ox backwards and everything. There are alot of people in a self-deceptive path itself and i understand where your coming from. However, there is an even deeper problem, with following someone into a brick wall. I am not hesitant to say that many have not transcended the ox. So i understand where your coming from, i'm just pointing you to a deeper problem that you will get involved yourself in, but if i communicate it to you, it will defeat its own purpose So i will say, be wary

@Key Elements As buddha says, there is a special type of ignorance- the 9th fetter, the 9th fetter is itself the 1st fetter aswell because it was the reason for seeking the path in the first place. THAT includes the seekers lifestyle ... a seeker does not live until he realises enlightenment, that was the point of persuing enlightenment in the first place. still you are right about living life in the end... however, i feel it is just counter productive to the path and a distraction. Now if your in life or death situations, then follow maslovs triangle, but most people here are probably living a comfortable back ground-ish. also i have a warning for you what you glimpsed was a partial truth, if you follow shinzen young back to that place you realised.. it will only lead you into the enlightenment trap itself Call it brotherly warning still the actuality of the glimpse itself is the truth of the matter about the absolute

@Tistepiste I editted my answer, to give a little bit more advice

@Tistepiste Yes, as i said... the issue with reincarnation is that it takes a certain level of understanding to establish before you can understand its meaning, you have to have a conceptual understanding of what is meant by the "self" in its semi-entirety. You have obviously not understood because that response is exactly what a person who does not know the self would say. it would just be counter productive to your path to try to understand reincarnation, i always think it should be contemplated ltowards the end of the journey. personally that is . nonetheless, the answer itself may give you an insight : The answer on your level is that, you should ask yourself people die and are born everyday, but what is truly reborn? when your body is dropped, how can it be that the identity of the person who identified with the body will carry over. For example if i thought i was brown in colour of my skin and i died and went to a new body. Why would that information carry over to the next body? the next body does not say it has brown colour Just reaise that this is only on the 2nd level of consciousness, each level has their own interpretation of reincarnation, but to realise what it truly means, it must reflect on all levels. Which means you have to progress up the levels in order. So this is good for now, but just know there is more to the meaning of reincarnation than i can put in a single sentence for yu to understand at your current level of understanidng The expansion of your awareness/ consciousness is going up levels, (if there were levels as a map)

@Tistepiste Reincarnation is only a pointer, you can become conscious of this, but it is an advance teaching in my opinion. For the realisation of "reincarnations" meaning you would neeed to be atleast on the third dimension of consciousness to see it in your direct experience. However, it is fully understood in the fourth dimension of consciousness (absolute infinity) ... simply put if can understand this line then you should be fine with THIS POINTER "You are god life and death = reincarnation " This is expressed on the third dimension of consciousness, projected actuality in our spatial location.

Jesus was on a cross for four days, when did he have time to write the bible when his hands were tied up in other business.

@AlphaAbundance awareness as a definition for now, is to be aware of. The reason you do not know what awareness is, is because you haven't got out of your body at the moment. Okay realistically whilst you were writing out your thoughts, did you realise you were essentially talking to your self and self -referencing your own thoughts. so what happened was, the thought came and then you realised what you said after. and that's when you recognised: "Wait I'm not thinking normally because I know I am going to write them" what this shows is that you are aware of your thoughts. you are actually not constructing your own thoughts, similarly to your body functioning when you said the word "weird" did you tell your own thought that you needed to use the letters, " W , E , I , R ,D " to construct the word "Weird" in fact, did you even know when you were going to say next, it should be obvious that if you create your own thoughts by yourself, you should create your next thought kind of like, "i am going to tell my brain to say these words next! " but this doesn't happen, the thought comes and then we become aware of it.. keeping writing out your own thoughts until you realise that you truly don't know what you are going to say next. You are literally writing what your being told to write

@AlphaAbundance There one who IS awareness, otherwise how are you aware of awareness itself, its because the true you is the one who IS the awareness itself. I try to avoid aware of awareness because that confuses the issue imo. what you are missing is this point... tell me your next 5 thoughts and write them down exactly as they come, even the questioning behind those thoughts. Just what ever they are (sentences not single words) then write them here, if they are embarrassing you can leave them out and just write the next line

@AlphaAbundance i think if i had read peter ralstons book of not knowing at the begginning of my journey. It would have been the most beneficially.