Aakash

@Joseph Maynor so in essence what your saying is its nice to acknowledge that you have a life purpose, but be ready to fling it out the window at any time as your survival does not depend on it?

amazing dude! really glad for you! i would have loved for that to happen to me spontaneously: the closest i've got is always "yes i believe in god" but its only ever a belief, they go straight into material paradigm in the next couple of sentences. tell her to join actualised.org ahaha

a bird, an animal in the sea, swimming around in the ocean, or a bird flying in the sky. after getting over the fear of having to die one day and the impermance of this body, i feel it is quite relaxing that i am the unborn and will be a chicken, they are BEING precisely the think they are without the complexity of the human system. does this satisfy you?

i guess its not as wasted life obviously, just basking in the beauty of it all and what not, that hardcore spritual/ turquoise lifestyle. but its not really suitable for a 23 year old, yet 40 and above its ideal, as you well know. So as i aim to conform ever so slightly, to the second hardest thing, changing the world. so being is the first best thing, change is the second best thing. so when i am older i can drop the need to change the world and simply be, thats what its accumulating too. however, i also feel like there's apart of me, that will find something i really enjoy and continue integrating and developing the world forward. having said that i can understand your point now, that maybe its just a stage that one needs to pass through on their self -actualisation route, the peak of their potential , self- realisation?

glad you understand leo, the sheer fact that you need to do actualised.org only serves to limit the amount of time you spend on yourself, this goes for the forum too, knowing that you'll have to reply to things 8 hours later is not good for spritual work, so i think you should take a years break ahah .

No i'm only slightly happy when i'm goal orientated because of fears of not learning enough information to later make a big enough impact at current, and then feel i'm getting towards my full potential ever so slightly. i can drop that and go back to being, not for extended periods of time. I.e ill look at reality directly and realise what an amazing thing it is, or just realise the nothingness in things and watch videos on animals. During this rest period i exhibit everythings good and what not, but ultimately the world is goal orientated, no matter what way you look at it and so are systems and therefore i feel if i'm not doing anything especially at my age (23) then i'm wasting my life.

@Joseph Maynor i agree, but i also think isn't there a sincere and genuine attempt, to try change things that aren't ego related?

@Joseph Maynor I see, thats fair enough. it's a question i've been contemplating for 10 years of my life. why do some people want to change the world and why do some people just want to live happy lives. Me, i'm the side of changing the world and i'm not sure why lol. is it because i am visionary or perhaps something else, who knows . I just always thought to myself you've only got one life, (this was before non duality obviously) why would you not spend it doing the hardest thing possible (outside of enlightenment which is the hardest thing, the second hardest thing is directing the direction the world is turning) So you think its only a stage in life for him? you know i wanted to get a tattoo once when i was 15 saying watch me change the world, (when i was naive), the temptation to change things has never left me so far. so how did you let it go?

@Joseph Maynor its simple human nature, when you understand a system so wholy after years of studying, you start to see gaps in the pattern emergence, if were really taking oneness to be the truth then at any given stage it is within any of us reading this post, to build the foundations for future humans, to then build more foundations. the process is never ending, let me ask you something? do you not have the strong urge to be on the cutting edge to revolutionise?

@tecladocasio you will be a chicken that gets eaten lol! isn't that great and amazing

I am currently trying to read, its a habit i've built up for 1 week now everyday reading for 30 minutes or so, however when i read what are some techniques to understanding better. do i need to visualise while i read?

@tecladocasio im talking about any type of reading technique, what is this technique ? @okulele so you would ask yourself questions about the topic every once in a while?

from my understanding its because self-actualisation itself requires you be at a certain ripeness or situation in your life where you act upon the need to hunt the truth yourself, otherwise it would be converting people to a so called better life and it will change it into a perspective, by not advertising it ensures that the natural perspective of the seeker is kept.

@Serotoninluv just when you think you got it caged, you realise ohh man i'm going to need a bigger cage ahah, i thought maybe there would be some juristriction or ground i could create to get a foothold in turquoise, but i guess your right its not so easy and has much more depth as do all the other levels. definatlely already realised that practice is the only form of turquoise can take when dealing with spirituality and consciousness work. anyways thanks for answering Q.

is turquoise about finding a haloistic system to fit into a model, because the problem is that by having so many open ended and deterministic factors for any given system, there's no way to find a perfect model but more like a fluid system that morphs around changes and adjust accordingly. is this what halocratic thinking is like practically speaking?

@Serotoninluv thought id watch leo's video of turquoise again to much understand better, found out that i'm basically center of gravity is yellow, i have not yet seen the limitations of modelling to solve the worlds problems but i also know that because consciousness is the worlds problems and technically the view of having an ego, i see that i am begginner level turquoise, but i haven' taken any steps into actually going into turquoise, i do not believe that material possession, equality amongst all people will solve the worlds problems, but i do believe thinking in systems will and thats as far as i can go with my LP BECAUSE i do not wish to talk about consciousness and the real one problem that creates all problems. i do not have enough experience and knowledge i have built up to teach lol, what do you think of this decision? i wanted to know turquoise to see if i can integrate it into my life purpose, what will i do however, is intergrate eastern philosophy into systems thinking.

yeah so i'm asking what that is that is the point i'm trying to get at, how can we explain turquoise, it doesn't need to be in the realm of standardised logic, even if you need to explain it with energy - it is a model, and therefore there is something there to understand. nevermind, i think were just going to go around in circles! we've entered a strange loop- where non of us have enough experience to talk about it, maybe we should quit while were ahead and wait for leo lol

you know when you turn your eyes upwards towards the point on your forehead or 3rd eye and it starts to hurt like you have a migrane after a minute of intensely focusing there. does this mean your 3rd eye is closed?

i don't want to misunderstand, so i'm gonna say i didn't quite get your point what i think your trying to demonstrate is that logic cannot define a truly turquoise world?

mysticism is one of them, what would the others be gaia would be another one, i don't believe non duality is part of this category, like awakening and enlightenment- that is completely different to turquoise. its all the one world views in harmony together, but then realising that they are all pointing to the same thing leads you to expend your efforts into finding non duality.

yellow -the prevailing world order is a function of a) the exsistence of different realityies and b( the inevitable patterns of movement up and down the spiral turquoise - universal force permeates all forms of life , energy, and exsistance ordering their movement changes and patters, preservation of eternal truths and forces of the cosmos in turquoise one not only learns through observation and participation but throguh the experience of simply being. the person trusts intuition and instinct, more expansive thinking everything flows with everything else in living systems interlinked cause and effect, interacting energy feilds and levels of bonding and communication yet to be uncovered seeing everything at once, the first tier with a macro view of the world mutual interdependance while yellow tries to attach function , turquoise detects the energy feild that engulf, and flow naturally yellow connects the dots while turquoise flashes the art of all the colours they learn by becoming fully there, not just studying about it or feeling cozy with anything another approach is through paradoxes turquoise life consists of fractalsm repeating of the micro right through to the macro while it ofter admits incomplete knowledge , its faith that unification is possible and that everything somehow connects to everything else turquoise develops new version of spirituality

Wait i have the spiral don beck book from leo's booklist, let me have a quick flick through to turquoise and i'll quote some of what he says so we can discuss further

@Serotoninluv i'm interested to see what leo says about his discoveries about turquoise. but thanks for your responses they've has helped direct my LP and root it in yellow, since i am unable to comprehend what turquoise is logically at current.

the infinite is not a perspective to take because its the only truth, we could say yes, that it is apart of it by definition of the word infinite. but the infinite does not know of a finite mind, it only knows of itself in truth. i.e there is no such thing as a finite mind, it is a distinction we are creating as a finite self this is "my mind" that belongs to me, this is my "finite mind" then you are projecting onto the self that you have conceptualised for yourself "this must mean that the finite mind is also part of the infinite mind, i know this, therefore the infinite must know this too"