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You guys are always resonating so much with me. I'm on board with the OP and agree with Vizual. I feel the same way. We don't have to bound by what society defines life should be like. I call it Authentic living. This thread is so........ Me I do I do I do. But this appears more stage Green(than orange) to me. @Thestarguitarist14

Is there anything like a Silent Orange, where the Orange is not too aggressive in pursuit or boastful of their achievements?

@PurpleTree positive guy and conspiracy theorist smh, those things never mix.

You're very masculine.

Can there be something like Silent Orange?

Human nature is very strange indeed. Sometimes I've been nice to people, and they have been total ruthless to me. And sometimes I have been "insert b/c word" to people and they've come back and complimented me and wanna be friends with me.

You can always be nice to people but there will always be a wake up call. Learn to preserve your self respect and self worth. Learn to be vigilant Learn to be self protective Not give a damn about someone who doesn't accept you or care about you. Don't open up so much You have to change 3 gears Sometimes be kind and cool and decent and sweet Sometimes be neutral to those who come off as standoffish or predatory or judgemental/biased Sometimes be a c'nt to those who are being plain mean and wanting self destruction.

Pumping up my masculine energy and trying to integrate the masculine in me. I hope it can still give people some perspective that as much as you might think you're evolved intellectually, and you want to trust the human race, and believe we are all in this together, that we can help each other out, trust each other, and do the right thing when the times comes. You still gotta be vigilant !! And protect your own ass first and foremost.

Just a bunch of arrogant entitled brats who think they are at the top of the world This is where you need that masculine "I don't give a shit" attitude towards them. Show them the middle finger next time they ask you. Be a cnuttt where you need to be. Be a Saint where you need to be a Saint.

Yea. That's the most important lesson that you learned. And it's good that you posted it here because I learned so much in trying to guide you. The best lesson is to stay vigilant no matter what. Thanks for sharing your experience. It made me remember some of mine and it helped me gain a perspective.

Awesome that you had so much growth in such a short span of time.. You're a learner and that reflects a lot in you. That's what we need to do, keep being mindful. It seems like you have come a long way in learning so many things in life. Your journals are always so beautiful to read.

@modmyth That was very insightful. Thank you so much for sharing your experiences, it helps a lot with expanding and broadening our collective understanding.

@ALPHA907 no need to explain them.. You continue with your journey okay, that's important. Best of luck. You'll do great.

When you are this needy that you want a whole lot of love and affection, the important question to ask is Do you really care about that person, or is that relationship only about fulfilling your needs and that's it. Is that person also happy with you or you're simply Draining that person like a vampire? Are you accomodating that person's needs or only thinking about your needs 24/7.? In a way its too selfish to not think about the other person at all Are you completely ignoring the person when they need you or just dismissing them flippantly? Do you still want that person even if that person is not happy with you? Are you able to let that person have their freedoms and let them go, or you want to hold that person back for your needs by manipulating them? Are you selfishly loving them where you only take take take but never give anything or are you selflessly loving them? Do you really love the other person and care about them sincerely or you just want the relationship for your own needs? Is your wanting love coming from a place of lack or is it coming from a place of wanting to love and be loved in return? How have you made that person feel loved? Did that person feel loved too, or you simply want them to love you without expecting anything in return and staying deprived meanwhile you fill your cup? Some questions to ask yourself when you are too needy for the other person.

Don't interact much with them. Keep a journal to be more expressive. Do a ton of socializing for fast growth. Talk to like minded people.

The first Commandment of the ProFas is - Go around calling everyone who disagrees a fascist.

I've noticed this interesting phenomenon that happens with Stage Orange materialists - they tend to be nihilistic. There's this big trend where people generally have this 'Meh' attitude or 'I don't give a fuck' attitude towards everything. It's like nothing motivates them, nothing excites them, they tend to take everything for granted and this plunges them into nihilism where they start to believe that everything is pointless and meaningless. They are in their rational mind, chasing material pleasure and material success. In the later stages of Orange, when hedonism doesn't work because of hedonic adaptation, they start to see that pleasure is meaningless. Then, they start to look for meaning in survival. They'll come up with all sorts of weird stories, like 'Humanity will die in 200 years. We must save humanity from this threat!!!' and look for meaning there. What they don't realize is that there is nothing meaningful about survival. Survival is not an exciting and interesting process, it is a very dumb, brute, mechanical, boring, grindy process. There's nothing interesting, exciting, creative about survival because the ego is an illusion. (which they don't see yet) The issue here is that they think they don't feel any emotions, when this isn't the case. The primary emotion they feel is apathy. There will be some serious monsters under those floorboards. When you see those, then you move up the spiral into Green. Then life starts to become meaningful all of a sudden because you discover that other people exist! Has Leo made a video on this? The 'I don't give a fuck' attitude that's very popular these days deserves a video of it's own. Edited 1 hour ago by Parththakkar12 They generally have a huge ego that drives their motivation, more masculine traits. They are bold, pragmatic. They are hardwired to get things done only to realize later that getting the things they worked so hard for isn't really making them happier. They carry some narcissistic traits for sure. The nihilism actually comes from creating a very materialistic life that's not spiritually fulfilling. Inside they are empty, hollow. Now imagine if you went shopping to buy everything in the world, shopping shopping shopping shopping shopping and some more shopping. In the end you collapse in your couch and feel nothing, just empty. And you're like "now what." This is where the emptiness comes from. This leads to boredom because they have exhausted that dopamine, it's like you're on a forever vacation just after your exams and you are getting bored because nothing is driving you, you want to go back to school and be excited for new things This is actually human nature or biology of dopamine. If you do too much of it, it gives you a big "high", lot of excitement and past the peak point, your excitement suddenly starts to drop like falling from the mountain, motivation progressively drops and you reach a "low," if you keep doing this juggle between "high" and "low", initially it's exciting but sooner it will give you depression.. That's what Stage Orange people do and then get depressed and nihilistic because you can only have so much of the hedonistic enjoyment in life. In the end you get bored of all the toys you collected. The way to navigate the labyrinth of stage orange without falling into the unconscious rabbit holes is to keep balance. You need that drive and motivation and achievement in life to attain certain basic things and to have a certain order or flow. But balance it with Green values of spirituality and detachment and freedom and true ethereal joy. Then it's a perfect combo. I like the pragmatism of Stage Orange. But Green is irresistible to me too. Stage Orange takes pragmatism a little too far in their need to conquer everything in life which is not that great. Let life be a beautiful mystery, subtle, a little practical, a little dreamy, not everything has to be conquered. Not everything is victory. @Parththakkar12 Also another vital difference between stage Orange and Green is that Stage Orange does a lot of things for egoic Manifestation. The purpose they are so after lacks meaning, it's more about "see, I can do this!" "we made it", "see what I did" "we can make it happen", these are egoic manifestations, which means they do these projects for the world or humanity out of egoic desire to feel great about themselves, losing sight of the real purpose behind their projects. Whereas stage Green is committed to a project, with a strong purpose in mind, not for egoic desires, not for chest thumping, but for a sincere cause, a sincere passion to create good and change the bad, they genuinely want the world to be a better place, so their intentions are true which makes a lot of sense spiritually and what stage orange does is a fake project..

@Parththakkar12 Also another vital difference between stage Orange and Green is that Stage Orange does a lot of things for egoic Manifestation. The purpose they are so after lacks meaning, it's more about "see, I can do this!" "we made it", "see what I did" "we can make it happen", these are egoic manifestations, which means they do these projects for the world or humanity out of egoic desire to feel great about themselves, losing sight of the real purpose behind their projects. Whereas stage Green is committed to a project, with a strong purpose in mind, not for egoic desires, not for chest thumping, but for a sincere cause, a sincere passion to create good and change the bad, they genuinely want the world to be a better place, so their intentions are true which makes a lot of sense spiritually and what stage orange does is a fake project..

They generally have a huge ego that drives their motivation, more masculine traits. They are bold, pragmatic. They are hardwired to get things done only to realize later that getting the things they worked so hard for isn't really making them happier. They carry some narcissistic traits for sure. The nihilism actually comes from creating a very materialistic life that's not spiritually fulfilling. Inside they are empty, hollow. Now imagine if you went shopping to buy everything in the world, shopping shopping shopping shopping shopping and some more shopping. In the end you collapse in your couch and feel nothing, just empty. And you're like "now what." This is where the emptiness comes from. This leads to boredom because they have exhausted that dopamine, it's like you're on a forever vacation just after your exams and you are getting bored because nothing is driving you, you want to go back to school and be excited for new things This is actually human nature or biology of dopamine. If you do too much of it, it gives you a big "high", lot of excitement and past the peak point, your excitement suddenly starts to drop like falling from the mountain, motivation progressively drops and you reach a "low," if you keep doing this juggle between "high" and "low", initially it's exciting but sooner it will give you depression.. That's what Stage Orange people do and then get depressed and nihilistic because you can only have so much of the hedonistic enjoyment in life. In the end you get bored of all the toys you collected. The way to navigate the labyrinth of stage orange without falling into the unconscious rabbit holes is to keep balance. You need that drive and motivation and achievement in life to attain certain basic things and to have a certain order or flow. But balance it with Green values of spirituality and detachment and freedom and true ethereal joy. Then it's a perfect combo. I like the pragmatism of Stage Orange. But Green is irresistible to me too. Stage Orange takes pragmatism a little too far in their need to conquer everything in life which is not that great. Let life be a beautiful mystery, subtle, a little practical, a little dreamy, not everything has to be conquered. Not everything is victory.

Focusing on how to use spiral dynamics in my everyday life This will be a good start and a good foundation.

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You could try online socializing if your mental health is preventing you. It's like a virtual environment of learning social cues, what to say, what not to say, how to understand people's vibes, what type of people get along with you, and a lot that you can learn simply by online socializing.

How to stop being needy https://themindfool.com/alpha-vs-beta-vs-gamma-vs-omega-vs-delta-vs-sigma-personality/