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Yes apparently, but it is endless, processes apparently keep happening after but the process to awaken stops, obviously. Yea, np dude.

Aight. There is no process, only in the dream. But I'm not going to keep going, nothing wrong with what is apparently happening "over there".

It is funny aswell as beautifully frustrating to speak about this. It is nothing speaking to nothing, all that is happening is nothing. There is no goal, there is no need to show humility, there is no need to be the one who has the truth, this is just what is happening. The dream is that all of this actually matters, that my words matter and that your apparent words matter. The person is living in a prison, spirituality becomes a prison aswell, some words are not true while others are to this funny little person, everything it does is perpetuating seperation. It just moves so eagerly to convince others that it has the truth, or to beg others for the truth, all it can do it take take take in the hope that it actually some day will matter.

You are only convincing yourself, this is only feeding your self righteous spiritual ego, that is all you can do though, just what is apparently happening.

Who are you trying to convince bro?

Where my "nothing" gang at????? "nothing" gang is superior to "Love" gang!!!?☺? Simps...

Call it whatever you want, it makes no difference at all. Everything and nothing are identical.

Aight, good luck with finding that.

You just answered your own question ?

You really thought you did something there, huh? Nothing is still a "thing" there, something to achieve and recognise. Nothing is nothing. THIS is the end of the search.

How are you going to let something know what nothing is? Something can never know nothing, when the indvidual (something) falls away nothing is recognised. No one knows what nothing is. When I say nothing is recognised, it is literal. It isn't nothing (something called nothing) that is recognised, no, it is literally that nothing is recognised. Totally free and open to be whatever. And here "we" apparently are.

@ivankiss You seem to have a lot of resistance to the word "nothing." It is just a word, you have no idea what it points to and you never will, because it is pointing to nothing. ? Nothing has no charge, it does not exclude anything, it is boundless. I do have the sense as you do, that many spits the word "nothing" with only a conceptual understanding that it isn't a thing. In the dream nothing is just a weird koan for the person.

The individual is the noise in the appearance.

? The great adventure of nothing.

I have no idea, it is part of the dream of future fulfillment through effort. There is literally nothing to do, because nothing is actually happening. This appearance is not real in the sense that it has consequences and needs to be fixed. Everything is whole, nothing is ever missing, because existence is a dream. The person is total void dreaming existence. There is already nothing, so everything done by the person is reinforcing the dream. Enlightenment is part of the dream aswell. This is whole beyond understanding, it is whole in the sense that there is no other, whatever is, is whole. The person wants enlightenment because it thinks it will improve it's existence, it thinks that enlightenment will bring it peace and will make everyone love it. This is totally outside of that dream and at the same time it is that dream. This is about death and not knowing, following a 10 step program to get to this, is just a joke.

You are the Ox dreaming that it is a person on a search to find the Ox. The person can NOT find the Ox, the Ox can stop dreaming and then the person never was, and the Ox disappears as well, because it was only an idea/concept in the personal dream of finding ultimate fulfillment.

Because it is perfect! Doing is as perfect as anything else. The motivation to improve this through doing falls away though, then doing just happens. The dream of the boss within the skull is an illusion, so when it falls away everything is the same, just without the boss pushing and pulling.

There is no answer, you won't find it, give up trying to change what is happening. The search is hopeless, being totally trapped will end the search.

Haven't seen it. But yeah, this is it. But there is no "it". Also it doesn't matter. The whole reality of the seeker is a product of seeking. What is longed for is this without the seeking, but the seeker can't do that, it is stuck in itself. Talking about this might be interesting to some, it obviously is, but when the need to "get" something falls away, the profundity of all spiritual teachings fall away, it did here at least. A children's book is more interesting than listening to someone babble about God and everything, it is the same story repeated, it goes nowhere.

You are perfect. Do whatever you do knowing that you can never make a mistake. Being is your only job, and you are doing a great job ❤

It is looking for an escape, it will do that until it doesn't. All of the epiphanies are actually meaningless, they are all small treats for the mind which stops the seeking for a couple of minutes, but it backfires with even more seeking afterwards because it is holding on to a state. What is actually longed for is the end of the search for something else, it uses incredible amounts of energy to make sense out of it's existence, but it never gets a satisfying answer. Because it actually doesn't exist, it is a dream, the dream of a real life and a real world and all of this real stuff. Many are totally immersed in the dream, they know what things are, they are sure that they are real and that this is just how it is. The mystery of this is lost in knowing. How funny is it that you actually think that you know what this is, this has nothing behind it/inside of it, there is no source to which this have a ground/base of knowing. It is totally wild and weird, amazing, and within it a story arises making it seem orderly and known. Nothing will ever fulfill the need that the person has of finding an answer or an end. The end is not a finding, it is the loss of the need to find anything. Thoughts are not the problem, THIS is appearing as a person having problems with thoughts.

Interesting story, why don't you try telling a new one? You seem pretty tired of that one. @deso seems to need a little bit of space and forgiveness. Give him some!

❤

One of the hardest things is seeing your loved ones have the same hole inside them that you know so well. Then having to live with the fact that they will never be open to another possibility.