traveler

@ivankiss There is no one here, or I'll put it in a way you understand: there is only light.

Who has been through the "nothing, no self, nobody, meaninglessness" phase and who walked out the other side? A self claiming that it is no self is nothing appearing as that. What is pointed too in nothing is something indescribable. It is everything and nothing. It is real, and unreal in the sense that it's only reality is the appearance of it. Empty fullness. If there is still an apparent position within the body of @ivankiss then that is what is happening in empty fullness, the dream for @ivankiss is that he is on his way to fullfilment. He will never be able to see that which is before him.

This is the beautiful futility of the search. The "I" seeks it's own absence which counterintuitively fuels it's own existence. See, the individual is illusory it isn't actually there, its whole existence is one huge questionmark. The impossibility for the individual is that it already is what is looked for, appearing as an individual looking for it. An apparent separate entity looking for everything. This is unacceptable for the individual because it is looking for a state in which that "it" will get enlightened and peaceful and so on. This has nothing to do with you, what happened for @traveler is similar to what is apparently happening for @meow_meow. The search got so strong that on an existential level the hopelessness of the search was recognised. There is no "and then" there is no answer, the questioner dies, the mystery lives on, apparently.

The universe was never real to begin with, so nothing really happens. The death of the separate self is the death of the dream of a beginning and an end.

It is only disturbing if there is someone there understanding it. There is an inherent fulfillment in what is, a flavour of indescribable "love". What is longed for is the end of the one who takes on feelings and understandings. It is a dream of real separation and lack. When it is no more there is just what is, empty fullness as Tony calls it. It is immaculate. Difficulty is that there is an experience of someone there trying to get some state called enlightenment. The movement is always a movement away from what is longed for. All there is, is home. Home can appear as a person looking for home.

If your head ? is not stuck in the tigers? mouth already? get the hell out?‍♀️ before it grabs you?. You don't want this ?, this ? is not for you❌?, this? is the death of you?. A ?spiritual awakening? is not a blessing?, it is a curse.?☠ It will make the dream??? into a nightmare?‍♂️?, it will make you search hopelessly?‍? forever.?‍? The supposed knowledge Leo Gura?or other teachers? and gurus? have is futile?. It is beautiful on the surface ? until you actually witness ? a hightened state of consciousness/God consciousness?❄?. Now your stuck chasing your own tail ? Hope this scared you. ? I dare you to close this thread for low quality content, I double dare you MODS.

Aww, I didn't invite you bud, you are a story, you don't exist. All there is, is hell. Welcome, embrace your true nature ?

You are here with me right now, don't you realize? You never left, the idea that you left us is just a cover up to make you feel safe. This is home, no where to go?

Ofc. Join me bro, don’t be a chicken, come here, I won't bite ?

Nothing wrong with devils, I don't care actually. It is just what is happening. There aren't real consequences. People who talks "spiritually" are just annoying asf, imo. I can't stand that shit, and they have such a superiority complex towards everyone that criticises their bullshit fake ass facade. So cringey.

Lol, yea fuck that bitch ass annoying ass energy... ruining everything.

That is what "we" do ?

The separate self only sees objects, it even makes "nothing" into an object. You can't understand nothing. Understanding nothing is the death of the understanding/the knower. There would be no position left to know anything.

Cool, have you been there? How was it? Did you bring luggage? Okay. I have lost interest, I'm sowwy. x(

No, do you? Hehe, sure it is bud.

Idk, I had no idea what you meant. "Void is nothing" yeah... and?

Maybe that is a belief some have. Probably just you projecting though.

It is impossible to understand nothing, that is the reason why the seeker hates that word.

Yes apparently, but it is endless, processes apparently keep happening after but the process to awaken stops, obviously. Yea, np dude.

Aight. There is no process, only in the dream. But I'm not going to keep going, nothing wrong with what is apparently happening "over there".

It is funny aswell as beautifully frustrating to speak about this. It is nothing speaking to nothing, all that is happening is nothing. There is no goal, there is no need to show humility, there is no need to be the one who has the truth, this is just what is happening. The dream is that all of this actually matters, that my words matter and that your apparent words matter. The person is living in a prison, spirituality becomes a prison aswell, some words are not true while others are to this funny little person, everything it does is perpetuating seperation. It just moves so eagerly to convince others that it has the truth, or to beg others for the truth, all it can do it take take take in the hope that it actually some day will matter.

You are only convincing yourself, this is only feeding your self righteous spiritual ego, that is all you can do though, just what is apparently happening.

Who are you trying to convince bro?

Where my "nothing" gang at????? "nothing" gang is superior to "Love" gang!!!?☺? Simps...