Patang

wisdom is revealed, and peace of mind is achieved, so to speak, only after the "self" is gone.

@tsuki live long and prosper ??

@SOUL thank you for the lovely story, i love it! @tsuki oh the mind... it is not there anymore, to keep something or do anything. but allow me to rephrase the above just a bit: Why do you keep it, if you can make it? Why do you keep making it, if you don't want to keep it? thanks to you too.

yes, the distinction is no longer possible. love & light is the key by which one can relate to reality. when you are done, it is done and been realized. indeed.

and if that sounds harsh and radical to you, how do you think the way to enlightenment seems like? is it like walking in the park?, a part time job?, a magical journey of self realization? no! it is a committed quest, a long and agonizing work sometimes, a full time job 24/7 with no relief on the horizon. yes, it is a story, but not just a story, it is the story. it is the radical deed anyone will ever do in his lifetime, way beyond what one perceived as a human limitation.

you see, the paradoxical situation is that there is no-one to tell them anything...

@Nahm an unconditional love unlike a human love, is neither a feeling nor an emotion. it is merely the way an enlightened human being relates to reality as a whole. an un-enlightened human being cannot understand that, he only knows what love feels like. a feeling is originated from the ego/mind, and when the latter does not exist, no feeling nor emotion can be expressed. human love is been addressed to the "self" of another human being, this is why it is conditioned. when the "self" is gone, there is nothing to address to. thank you for this conversation ??

@Joseph Maynor all right, this needs an explanation. sure, an enlightened human being does not care about other people, simply because he does not possess the ego/mind that inspires empathy. he could simply ignore those, and disappear from those he was part of their lives. but this is not the way to conduct human relationships when they share the same "physical reality." therefore, there is a need to explain the change that has occurred in what "he" was, and that "he" is the cause of it. similarly, this should be done in all human practices, including this forum. @Nahm love? certainly, but the love they know is not the unconditional love through which he is conducted in the "physical reality" that he share with them. hurt? yes, it is inevitable simply because there is no other way. the truth, the only truth, cannot be avoided. oneness? sure, but only from "his eyes", not theirs.

@Nahm well said, thank you ??

and then you throw it right out of the window. this is fairly the last one, and it is done just after you threw all the other beliefs you have ever believed in. the same goes with imprints. all this is done prior to the ego/mind dismissal. reality has nothing to do with the system of the human beliefs.

in conducting any relationship between human being, persona is a must.

my quest is quite over. the quest cannot be undone, and so is yours. Peace! undoubtedly!!!... and live long and prosper ?? @Vingger when someone refers to the writer of the things i wrote, as a persona, the only way i can respond to that someone, is by using a temporary persona. live long and prosper ??

what i wrote is from the no-self perspective, where the ego simply does not exist, hence cannot do anything, even not to pull the carpet it stands on.

@tsuki ok, you see, the ego/mind is the a self-appointment CEO of the "self". from childhood it picked up all kind of stuff from the surrounding environment; imprints and beliefs, as a core identification of the "self". yet anther stuff was created in-house by the ego/mind, based on.the "self"s core identification. so, here we are, trying to get rid of all that staff, to fire the CEO and close the company, good riddance!, aint we? thank you! this is a subject to a new post.

@tsuki you do realize that the mind is false, and should be thrown right out of the window, right?

yes, it is wise to map the territory, when getting to an uncharted one. and yes, we speaks of the same, but i feel that you are trying to understand it using your mind. that is fine, but it would not lead you to the place you seek. just let go, and the truth will be revealed to you over time.

@Neo okay, i can see very clearly what was your experience about. when you continued to ask "who am I?", and tried to get to the bottom of it, the ego entered its state of alert. when that did not help, another strategy was chosen, to delude you with an illusion you are familiar with. by doing so, it tried to satisfy you, make you feel content, and divert you from revealing your true nature. nevertheless, keep asking "who am I?" and watch what is happening inside, continue watching your thoughts and feelings, until there is silence, and you can feel the stillness within you. then, and just then you can drill down and get to the bottom of it.

@tsuki the meaning of silence lies in the context of nothingness. wisdom, is refer to the real nature of you (or to the real nature of reality in this context), to the one that does not change, to the one that was never existed, does not exist, nor never will.

@tsuki you see, wisdom is not related to thoughts, actually there are none, just a pure understanding of how things work, and the way they do it. wisdom is not about stop interacting with reality, on the contrary, it is about relating to the true nature of reality, and continue to interact with it from a total different perspective, from anther point of view.

@Prabhaker thank you very much. you see, my journey began just after my visitation at osho's international meditation resort in pune. back then, in one of his talks during the evening meetings, he spoked about "the art of listening". he said that it is not really matters what is been said, but what is been perceived. the point is, that in order to master the art of listening, you have to read between the lines, to resonate with the message, and to see what it is doing to you. from there, i took it far, far away from my wildest dreams...

yes! smartness is when you acquire knowledge, wisdom is when you forget it. the one who knows nothing, knows everything.

yes!!! authenticity means a submissive determination to reveal the true nature of who you are, rather than hide it under a heavy mask. it is also a truthful willingness to look inside, and to find everything that makes up the "self".

@tsuki well done!!! thank you for sharing, your journey to enlightenment has begun already and cannot not be undone. do you remember when you were a child, everything you have ever learned, every knowledge you have ever acquired, brought you joy. now it is much the same, but instead of attaining knowledge, it is about forgetting it, and reveal the true nature of who you are. yes, it can bring you pain and can be agonizing sometimes, but it is what it is, and that is the way to do it. thumb up!!!

thank you for sharing, there is something happening there. stay tuned and figure it out yourself, it may have been a breakthrough.

if so, maybe you should have written: "roses are red, violets are blue, brown is the color of elephant poo", or if you feel romantic then: "roses are red, violets are blue, sugar is sweet, and so are you". the second one is preferred, since you did not clean your house and was busy fart'n around.