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@intotheblack Gotcha

Field report?

bahaha so you're telling all of us that you'll initiate sex by tearing off your clothes and spreading your legs for a new man on day 1 based on pure attraction alone? Bullshit. Your "game" is staying coy and passive; waiting for him to initiate, or otherwise postponing sex until days later. Doesn't matter how attracted you are. In fact, arguing that "if the man has to manipulate, the girl was never attracted" is naive as hell. If that was true, same-day-lays would be physically impossible. you say "she will come to you naturally" but that is exactly what happened with Leo. She was there with him the whole damn night. The fact that she didn't just leave shows us she was attracted.

bro this IS game/pick up. Lol.

Don't allow yourself to be friendzoned in the first place...

Don't emotionally vomit on her. It'll be perceived as weird and creepy if you've been acting totally uninterested for months, and then suddenly the dams burst and you spew your sappy feelings all over her like "I loved you all along~" It's perceived as weird and creepy because you'd basically be saying: "I've been lying to you this whole time, I was afraid of you. Please please please accept me!" It's comes off as manipulative and weak. It also puts her in a tense spot where she's basically forced to make a decision between "yes or no." That is so fucking stressful, and her instinct will be to protect herself and block off the external world (aka - no). Indicating interest towards a woman should (at first) be as simple and clean as: "hey - you're cute" It shouldn't feel like vomit, or a burden. There should be no manipulation or weakness. It should not put her in a stressful spot where she has to make any decisions. Notice that if I call a girl cute, with strong eye contact and a smirk, there's no doubt that I'm showing interest. I'm putting myself out there, but I'm doing it in a way that doesn't weird/creep her out. I'm not obligating her to respond yes or no. Now she's free to giggle, or compliment me back. Also - if you are going to point blank call a girl cute, do it AS SHE LAUGHS (to something said prior). Don't blurt it out while the conversation is dry (with negative emotions like boredom, awkwardness, etc.). You want to say it when she's already feeling good, so that the "cute" comment is tied-in with positive emotions.

You have no spine. You play to not-lose, you don't play to win. Hence, you never get outright rejected, but you also don't get the girl. Try this: 1. Meet. 2. Slowly build attraction for her (aka interact with her). 3. Flirt. Don't constantly scan if she likes you or not, that comes from fear. Share your energy and don't give a fuck. 4. YOU MUST INDICATE INTREST. No shit she friendzones you. You friendzoned yourself to begin with lmao. By not showing any interest (again, out of fear of rejection) you're basically screaming "I'M YOUR GAY BEST FRIEND!" 5. Lead. Someone has to make shit happen. This is a logical inevitability. Between the two of you, if you are to ever get together, one of you has to step up and take a risk. Right? Well, it'll never be the girl. It's in her nature to be passive and subtle. I know in your mind you wish she would make shit happen for you. But what if she's thinking the same thing? You goof. 6. Things happen. At the end of the day, it's between taking a risk for the possibility of reward, or the guarantee that nothing will ever happen. Stop being afraid of failing!

uhh wtf didn't you break up why are you acting together again.

"Silent Majesty of the Ordinary" Wow

do both.

You know, pickup exists precisely to turn desperate men into non-desperate men

Yes, incredible movie

stfu and just do it

How do you know that the girls liked you based solely on your looks and not your attitude? More importantly - how do you know the girls rejected the ugly guys solely because they were ugly and not because these guys carried themselves with the attitude of an ugly person? Finally, fine. Let's say your experiences are 100% correct and valid. Even then, my claims about male attraction strategies allow for exceptions (because time and time again, I do acknowledge that looks in men matter SOMEWHAT TO AN EXTENT). Yes, but notice who is actually being more open-minded here. You guys are insisting that LOOKS ARE PARAMOUNT AND INSURMOUNTABLE. I am saying that LOOKS MATTER - BUT ONLY SOMEWHAT - AND THAT THEY ARE A SECONDARY CONCERN. Your frame is more absolutist, and my experiences straight up contradict your frame. All I need to do is show one ugly guy with a hot girl and your story shatters. Meanwhile, my frame is rather flexible, and can actually account for your experiences as well. Your experiences don't contradict any of my claims. If you seriously think that the way you look is the #1 criteria for male attractiveness, then yes. You haven't gone out at all lol. It's so obvious. You're too busy reading internet articles and ruminating over your mere handful of experiences. Come back and talk big after you've approached hundreds and thousands of girls.

[Off topic] It was actually "cool" to debate this at one point, I remember back in high school there was a wave of people claiming that "water itself cannot be wet because it is that which makes other things wet." It was a mess

This seems like a response to my thread. *specifically when trying to attract ONE desired person. That is very different from whether or not someone/anyone will find you attractive. Simply wrong. Are they visual? Yes. Are they AS VISUAL? No. On what grounds are you saying that the attraction criteria of hetero men and women are the same? How often do you go out? How many books on attraction have you read? How many girls have you talked to one-on-one and in groups? How many girls have YOU attracted? Tinder is not the real world, it doesn't say anything about how attraction actually works. I have real-life experiences and stories of ugly men getting with hot girls, and pretty men failing to get with girls (and so do others). What say you to this? Will you just conveniently ignore it? Depends on circumstance, but you're probably not wrong. That being said, recall that my thread was about attracting ONE desired person. Not attracting someone/anyone randomly. Sure an unattractive woman "has more options" than a similarly unattractive guy; but I'm suggesting that maybe that same guy can grow himself to become attractive to HIS SPECIFIC CHOICE OF WOMAN in a way that the same woman CANNOT choose to become attractive to HER SPECIFIC CHOICE OF MAN. I'm open to being wrong, but people keep straw-manning my original suggestion, so it doesn't even feel like we're talking about the same thing. Yes. Let it be clear that we are talking strictly about raw attraction here, without any concern for longevity. If you insist on talking about longevity, then we're simply on different pages of the conversation. None of what you said really feels "encouraging" towards women. This all feels to me more like excuses for why ugly men should feel defeated and immobilized. Are you joking? LOL. The whole point of dating IS THAT YOU DATE SOMEONE THAT YOU FIND ATTRACTIVE. Dating is a game of selfishness. Let's at least embrace that instead of pretending otherwise.

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@SamC PFFFT bruhhhh @museumoftrees Link in my bio lol. Feel free to DM me.

You're still only 5% deep. Why is incompetence something that makes you feel empty? For example, I'm incompetent at cooking. But idgaf. I'm not empty because I'm incompetent at cooking. But for some reason, when it comes to women, you (and even I sometimes) attribute emptiness directly to our incompetence with attraction? Why women? Take this seriously. It's not so obvious. "Well, cooking and dating are different," you say. Sure, but exactly how? Flesh this out. For example, take into account the cultural values you grew up in, your craving for acceptance, whatever the hell that even means (Yes, it's there. Bring it to light), etc. Why women? Furthermore, why is competence so exalted in your mind's eye? And why must it be possessed by you? Why aren't you content observing and accepting the competence of others? Why the need to acquire, monopolize, and hoard it? What are you avoiding by trying to change your perceived incompetence? What would happen if you just let that empty hole exist and you did nothing to plug it or cover it? Notice that this is the truest and deepest you can go with your contemplation. To lock eyes with that existential emptiness, and to not deny, distract, or attempt to change. To be open and curious. To wonder, "who/what are you?" "can we be friends?" Instead, we glance at that emptiness for a couple minutes at best, and we try to find a way-out of it. We triumph at our contemplation: "look! I peered into the void!" We think we learned a lesson about ourselves, we think we vanquished our foe, and we go back out in the world and continue to focus on personal gain. I've done this time and time again in my own life. Emptiness never leaves you. At some point you'll have to befriend it

This is so key dude! It's unbelievably easy to ditch ice cream when you commit to healthy smoothies. With some trial and error, you can basically get your smoothie to taste like ice cream, except all of the ingredients are fresh organic fruits + such. It's OP.

well said. I think there is a very specific flavor of arrogance (grounded in the ability to "go meta") that is found in Yellow which is absent in the other stages.

yeah, don't fast yet. keep that as your hidden ace. fix #5 and #6 asap. they are easily the worst offenders on your list

I think you're onto something. I notice that people do throw around the term "energy" without reverence. That being said, don't dismiss Emerald as "stage green dogma" LOL... her perspective is Turquoise. Maybe there IS such a thing as energy; but if there is, it'd be a deeply personal and subjective thing... try to be open to that possibility Personal & subjective CAN = Truth (if you're open to it). Freaky, I know.

@integral I appreciate your perspective, I'll contemplate it

freaking brilliant