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yup, yup, yup.

Nah, it can.

@Michael569 I'm fairly familiar with Mr. nutrivore. My understanding is that he has an enormous vegan bias, which, to be fair, is perhaps a reasonable counterweight to my current animal-based bias, but nonetheless let's not forget that of course he is against saturated fat as a default position. He has a horse in this race prior to truthseeking. It's in his attitude too. His content is rife with ad-hominem attacks and insults flung at those that he disagrees with. I watched just 1 minute of that video you linked, and he already abrasively dismisses the history of seed oils as "fucking cute" and "irrelevant" because he is so hypnotized by the allure of "human outcome studies," which, as I just outlined earlier, have potential fundamental flaws in their question-begging conception. I will watch the whole video later, this is just my initial impressions. Side note: of course I am not saying to dismiss all studies. They can be useful. However, I just don't understand why anybody would hinge all of their faith in studies given their fallible nature. I've mentioned this elsewhere, but human beings have been consuming animal fats for millennia without a trace of chronic disease. On a common sense level this historical fact should be ringing alarm bells when modern medical experts declare through "studies" that animal fats are the cause of modern disease. It just makes no sense. Also as far as I know, Nick has never actually tried carnivore himself. If anything, it is actually his paradigm which is speculative and hearsay. At least Paul Saladino has actually been a vegan and a carnivore. Paul has personally wrestled with the limitations of both nutritional extremes, and has now settled for a mix of red meat and fruit. Likewise, my mentor, and in turn my mentor's mentor, have been living and breathing the high-saturated fat diet for YEARS, even multiple decades in the case of my mentor's mentor. I trust them because their blood tests are flawless, their physical excellence is off the charts (seriously, they are both in the top 0.1 percentile of strength to weight ratio), and they are even spiritually enlightened as a cherry on top, lol. So yeah they know a thing or two about not-knowing Consider that their self-righteousness is not Dunning-Krueger, but rather DECADES of existing as an optimally performing superhuman. I agree with you though that we can all spend more time exposing ourselves to more knowledge. I am by no means done with my nutrition journey, I am happy to admit that. But this doesn't mean that I ought to bite my tongue at all times. Perhaps there is room in public discourse for me to exonerate saturated fat. If it ever turns out that I, and the people I trust in, were dead wrong - I am happy to admit as such. And if it turns out that we were indeed wrong, we will be the first to endure the physical consequences of our error, since we live as we preach. It may seem to you that I am playing with people's lives by telling them that beef is safe, but don't forget that my own life is under the guillotine too. Thanks again for your time and replies, even if it seems we're getting nowhere this means a lot. You help keep me in check. Even though my belief in a high-saturated fat diet persists, it's good to stay on my toes remain humble.

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@Michael569 1) Yes! 2) Mostly yes. LA oxidized in excess likely is one of the main drivers of cancer and heart disease. Diabetes is a little different, as it has more to do with fructose intake and (lack of) activity. We also know that diabetes in turn spikes your susceptibility to heart disease so it's not purely LA which is the culprit, but a hoard of environmental toxins converging upon the body at once, causing a web of dysfunctions in tandem - excess LA, excess fructose, pesticides, heavy metals, microplastics, etc. 3) Excess LA is obviously increasing risk but doesn't necessary equate strictly to more disease in a particular individual since their antioxidant status and other lifestyle factors have to be taken into account. Someone with a high polyfat intake can somewhat offset their risk of disease with massive fruit and vegetable intake, such that from the outside they appear healthy. It's also important to note that serum levels are unreliable markers of LA accumulation in the body. I've learned that testing adipose tissue is a better metric. 4) Omega 3 is of course necessary as is omega 6. At the end of the day, polyfats, LA, and even oxidation are necessary. The problem is not polyfats per se, the problem is polyfats IN EXCESS. Omega 3 fatty acids in excess would actually be more damaging than LA because they contain more double bonds. But most of us do not encounter this problem because our food supply is not contaminated with excess omega 3 (it is, however, most certainly contaminated with excess omega 6!) According to my mentor: "Here's the problem with these studies... What do they do? Compare people with high LA intake to low LA intake. But the problem is that the "low LA intake" is actually people consuming more poly fat than that found in nature... So, all you are doing is comparing two groups of people, both with excess LA in their adipose tissue, and the difference being that the people with even more LA are also people who have been doing other "healthy, correct" things like exercising and eating fruits and veggies which actually do help in their own right. In other words, all of these studies were done in people who lived during a time that polyfats were promoted, and even though that is erroneous, the other healthy habits that were being promoted were actually not in fact erroneous. This is how people are getting lost in the weeds on nutritional science. If they studied people who live and eat like us (that is, an unprocessed, high saturated fat diet), this would be game over and these vegetable oil promoters would not be able to sleep at night. Their paradigm would collapse. But people who eat this way are anomalous in the 21st century and don't get studied."

?? spot on!

Here is a song that I was forced to sing in 5th grade Japanese elementary school. Little did I know at the time that the lyrics were proclaiming the highest truth I would ever awaken to. The following is a link to that song along with highly accurate translated lyrics I found on Reddit. My mind is reeling that I ever ignorantly sang these lyrics. 夏の草原に、銀河は高く歌う。 Over a summer meadow, the galaxy sings high. 胸に手をあてて、風を感じる。 I feel the wind with my hand on my heart. 君のぬくもりは、宇宙が燃えていた。 Your warmth is a remnant of a distant era 遠い時代のなごり、君は宇宙。 in which the cosmos was burning. You are the universe. 百億年の歴史が、今も体に流れてる。 A history of ten billion years still flows in your body. 光の声が空高く聞こえる。 The voice of light can be heard high in the sky. 君も星だよ。みんな、みんな。 You are a star too. Every one of you. Ah~~ 光の声が空高く聞こえる。 The voice of light can be heard high in the sky. 僕らはひとつ。みんな、みんな。 We are One. Everyone of us. 光の声が空高く聞こえる。 The voice of light can be heard high in the sky. 君も星だよ。みんな、みんな。 You are a star too. Every one of you. みんな。みんな。 Every one of us.

@Swarnim Jesus Christ. That got me emotional. What's up with Japan and spitting facts? Haha @Razard86 Thank you brother! That means so much. My dream is to essentially do what Leo is doing for a living. I am working on differentiating and honing my communication to bring something truly unique. The rest is just consistency, time, and heart.

@integral You trynna share with us a recent instance of hurt? lol

Actually I just spent some time double checking the translation here, it's technically accurate but fails to capture the ridiculous majesty of the Japanese lyrics. I also just realized that the entire verse 2 is missing in this translation (lol) but it is what it is. For example the line at 0:35 君のぬくもりは、宇宙が燃えていた。遠い時代のなごり、君は宇宙。 The reddit translation says: "Your warmth is a remnant of a distant era in which the cosmos was burning. You are the universe." A more faithful translation: "Your warmth is the universe ablaze. Like remnants of a bygone era. You are the universe." My God.

No, no, no! Drop all of your ideas about God if they aren't serving you. When you awaken to the truth that you are God - you will see nothing but perfection in Creation (i.e. Yourself). Until then, fight for yourself and your friends - embrace your humanity.

Ah but don't forget about alien-mind

Too defensive. If you are ever in disagreement, laugh it off and move on.

Perfection. Remember that even as you slowly begin to forget and forget... ...even that is your own doing. God's genius.

lol ofc everyone is God. Nobody denies this. You are imagining a "solipsist trap" Also, "the experience gets contaminated by the brain" is the funniest phrase I've read all day

Science (in the sense that you seem to be using it) cannot determine what "I" am. Such inquiries are outside of its framework. Science (as we know it) deals with observing and testing relationships. What a thing is is pre-assumed, and science is in the business of investigating the relative mechanistic properties of some such thing. Now, "science," etymologically speaking can be invoked to signify knowledge at large. Hence Hegel will use the word "science" to discuss grandiose abstracts. But people who need to be "convinced" by "scientific" means are not open to this interpretation of science, and so the discussion dies there. It's like you are asking us to sing "happy birthday" using a fork. Forks are not used for singing. Likewise, science does not say anything about who or what "I" am.

Absolutely spot on. Especially #1 and #2 taken together, such an interesting dynamic. Very astute. I notice that this happens when words fail. Sometimes, these one-liners can be the most sincere communication you're able to muster in that moment. At other times, these one-liners show a lack of active embodiment wherein the finite vessel is incapable of channeling the divine in speech but escapes into the shelter of silence to avoid admitting that it has a skill issue. We just gotta be honest to ourselves about what forces are really at play.

"Good" here is not meant in the colloquial human sense of goodness vs badness. Or this could just be your own mind...

I like this.

Fascinating. LSD is also my drug of choice. It is unreasonably OP and effective at launching you into infinity. However, I am always grateful to come back. "Falling-out-of-omniscience," as I call it. It's a stunning spectacle. I can cry at how Good it is that I forget myself and act smaller than I really am.

Lol no - Infinity contains Islam. Islam does not contain Infinity. Align wholeheartedly with Infinity - not necessarily Islam. This should be obvious

Precisely wrong. You are the one and only to ever exist. Try not to squander it on meaningless escapism!

Yeah if you don't feel like it would be productive, that's totally understandable, but just wanna let you know that personally I'm happy to hear your contentions, just to get a fuller picture, even if we don't necessarily change our minds. Especially around that point I made about polyfats, linoleic acid, and oxidation. Gotcha, thanks

Brilliant! No animosity - just pure science. I am happy to declare that I was wrong, IF I am indeed wrong! Thanks for being so fair with me, and for listening to my story all the way through, I didn't expect you to go out of your way to look at the other thread. Let's keep in touch, best of luck