Leo Gura

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  1. Posted · Edited by Leo Gura

    34 minutes ago, koops said:

    Well, it does, don't you think? Thats the point of awakening.
    I mean, whats the point of realizing Oneness/Consciousness/Absolute Truth if the relative/perception is already Absolute Truth?

    Of course it matters to you whether you recognize it. My point is that it is what is regardless of whether you recognize it.

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    If I'm sitting on a chest with a million dollars inside, and I'm not aware of whats in it; yes, the money is there, but becoming aware of it makes a HUGE shift in the situation.

    Yes, obviously.

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    This is what confused me.

    When I heard in your video: 'these sounds, sights and colors are also Absolute Truth' I thought: That doesn't sound like pure objectivity nor Absolute.

    It is Absolute. All experience is Absolute. You just aren't recognizing it.

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    So my guess is you can say: The relative/perception is non-realized Absolute Truth, right?

    It's silly to even say it that way.

    Would you say that if a baby sees a bomb it's a non-realized bomb? No. You just say it's a bomb and the baby is clueless.

  4. Posted · Edited by Leo Gura

    19 minutes ago, Raze said:

    Destroying Zionism isn’t the same as wanting to ethnically cleanse israel. A Islamist could want to destroy Israel but be fine with Jews living there as long as they got to have their Islamist government.

    That's like saying Israel isn't doing ethnic cleansing because Arabs are allowed to live in Israel.

    Netanyahu says such nonsense all the time.

  5. Posted · Edited by Leo Gura

    26 minutes ago, Raze said:

    So why didn’t they ethnically cleanse the Jews and Christians living their prior to Zionism? 

    Obviously because Zionism didn't yet try to ethnically cleanse them.

    Their opposition to Zionism is not religious, it's political and nationalist. Zionism built a powerful nation on their land where they were suppped to build their own nation. So of course they want to eliminate that nation.

    If I built a house on your land your top goal would be to wipe my house off the land.

    It's not complicated.

  7. Posted · Edited by Leo Gura

    2 hours ago, koops said:

    You mean that Absolute Truth is always here, whether you are aware or not, you just need the realization of it (awakening); so the relative domain/perception is still Absolute Truth while not awake?

    Yes.

    Everything you see right now is Absolute Truth. Whether you recognize it as such or not doesn't change the situation.

    An elephant is an elephant whether you recognize it or not. You might think an elephant is a giant rock, but that's a you-problem. It doesn't change the situation. The elephant is still there, waiting for you to recognize it.

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    -Also, you say that Absolute Truth is pure objectivity, which I get where you are coming from, but for example David Hawkins says is pure subjectivity.

    Truth cannot be proven objectively and can only can be access through 1st person ''experience'', directly, so how is that not pure subjectivity?

    When you get this deep, the difference between objective and subjective collapses. You're just left with absolutely what is.

    You can frame it in various ways. You can frame it as everything becoming absolutely subjective. Or you can frame it as everything being absolutely objective. They amount to the same thing in the end.

    I've spoken of pure subjectivity and absolute subjectivity many times.

    Truth cannot be "proven" so to speak. However, truth is absolute, so that's as "objective" as objective gets. It's objective because there is no "person". The subject is Nothing. When the subject is Nothing, that's really just to say that everything you experience is objective.

    Truth does not appear to a subject. Truth just is. Truth exists for itself. So in this sense truth is Absolute/objective.

    Alternatively, you could say that Truth is its own subject. The subject for Truth is not a person or a witness, it is Truth itself. Truth is it so own subject, which is just another way of saying that Truth is objective.

    Both frames are correct and identical.

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    How do you reconcile that? Doesn't really Absolute Truth transcend labels as objectivity and subjectivity? It just Is?

    Yes, it just is. But you can view or conceive of it in different ways.

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    Is this just a semantic thing?

    It's not just a semantic thing, it's a perspective thing. You can take various perspectives on it.

    There are multiple ways of conceiving the same thing.

    Glass half full, glass half empty.

    That's not just a verbal difference. That's a difference in perspective/conception.

    It's your responsibility to see how various perspectives equate and unify.

  9. Posted · Edited by Leo Gura

    8 minutes ago, Raze said:

    So we can’t trust their own founders words or their own charters?

    You are cherry-picking their founders words.

    I can quote you many of their founders who speak about killing every Jew in Palestine. And not just words but actions.

    Your characterization of their leadership by appealing to selective quotes deeply misrepresents the situation. You cannot lawyer your way around this.

    The entire Jihad movement is fueled by destroying Israel off the map. Stop denying this. This is their vision and dream.

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    10 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

    Leo, what are your thoughts on the Nakba?

    It was an atrocity of ethnic cleansing.

    There is no doubt the Palestinians have legitimate moral outrage over the injustice of being ethnically cleansed from their land. However, that doesn't matter because POWER is what matters in politics, not morality. They do not have the power to get the justice they deserve.

  11. Posted · Edited by Leo Gura

    3 minutes ago, Raze said:

    their original charter

    These charters are just political hot air and propaganda.

    You must look at how their minds actually work.

    In their minds they believe they should never compromise with Zionists and kick them all out. That's the actual mindset they are fighting under.

    Some political verbiage in an old document is not what makes fighters fight.

  12. Posted · Edited by Leo Gura

    11 minutes ago, Raze said:

    We don't hate Jews and fight Jews because they are Jewish.

    That doesn't matter. These are empty cherry-picked words.

    I did not say their goal is to exterminate all Jews across the world. Obviously not.

    Their goal has always been to expel all the Zionists from Palestine.

    It doesn't matter what the reasons are, whether the reasons are morally valid or not. Their goal remains their goal. And since they are ideological fanatics they cannot be talked out of their goal. So the only remaining option is death.

    A fanatic either gets his way or dies. But in this case they cannot get their way. So they will die.

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    23 minutes ago, Raze said:

    Hamas’s goal was capturing Israelis to trade for Palestinian prisoners. Israels goal is complete destruction of Gaza and its people. Israel has *worse* intentions.

    Hamas' goal is definitely the expulsion of all Zionists from Palestine.

    They have equal goals. They both want to ethnically cleanse the same piece of land. This is why the conflict is endless. Both sides believe they can succeed in pushing the other off the land and not need to share it.

    It's like two dogs fighting over the same bone.

    But Israel actually has enough technological and social power to accomplish their ethnic cleansing project. Which is exactly what will happen in the end. Power wins. The problem is that Palestinians do not have enough social development to organize well enough nor have enough technology to over-power Israel. This makes Hamas' actions stupid because they cannot win. Hamas will be destroyed because lower civilization is always destroyed by higher civilization. Yes, Hamas is lower civilization, regardless of the moral outrage. The problem is that Hamas is too fanatically and ideologically brainwashed to understand this. So their stupidity will result in getting all of them killed. Lower intelligence is defeated by higher intelligence.

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    50 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

    Imagine you were just a peaceful civilian living in Ukraine 3 years ago. You would hate the Ukranian government. Now matter how bad things were in Ukraine under Russian influence, they are way worse now.

    Not the same thing AT ALL.

    You are comparing legit defense of a nation from invasion vs fanatical terrorist lunatics who shoot concert-goers in the head.

    That I need to explain this to you shows how misguided your view of things is.