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@StephenK Mouse and I don't really disagree on much. It's mostly just a difference in emphasis and style. He wants you to take a very narrow approach, pure neti neti -- because that's the approach that apparently worked well for him. There is value in that if your only concern is the direct pursuit of the Absolute and nothing else matters to you and you are 100% motivated to get to the Absolute. For a few people that will work. But for most people it will not simply because they have a lot of psychological obstacles to deal with first and they won't resonate with neti neti. Each path has its pros and cons. And then there are issues outside of the domain of strict nonduality, like epistemology or philosophy of science or mastering your emotions or how to be a good human being or what you should do with your life... none of which will be adequately addressed by neti neti or any other one method or teaching. The fuel of all these spiritual debates is that one person tries to push his spiritual path onto everyone else because he feels his path is the best, assuming it will work for everyone else. This assumption is totally false. But that doesn't stop the person from trying because he's a firm believer in his one path. Because most people haven't seriously walked multiple paths and they have been radicalize by one teacher or another and turned into zealots. There's nothing new about this. It's been happening since the dawn of time. Everyone believes their path is the best and should be adopted by everyone else. You have to appreciate that reaching enlightenment is a totally separate matter from effectively teaching and spreading enlightenment. The greatest spiritual achievers are not necessarily the greatest spreaders and teachers. The teacher has to meet the student where the student is at. And many enlightened people don't know how to do that. In the same way that the best physicists are rarely the best physics teachers. To whittle all of life down to neti neti is extremely short-sighted in my opinion. And as a teacher, it doesn't make sense to me. As a teacher, I have to be open to a variety of tools and methods. There are SO many amazing tools for raising consciousness and personal development that I would never want to abandon them all for neti neti. Some spiritual paths are very narrow, emphasizing only the Absolute. Other spiritual paths are very broad, emphasizing diet, right conduct, compassion, psychological development, paranormal abilities, right relationships, etc. Neither one is best. There are tradeoffs to each and you have to choose for yourself which is right for you at which time in your life. Personally, I employ both types of teachings, narrow and broad. I find both incredibly worthwhile.

@Emne Depends on how deep and pure your LP was to begin with. This sort of question is best left open. Walk the path and trust that it will all turn out for the best. Your LP will evolve and perhaps radically change. And that's all good, as it should be. @Nahm Great answer. That's exactly it. Really, no different than before enlightenment (if you were careful to think about how life works). It should have been pretty obvious that with death all accomplishments get wiped away, so they are of course purely relative and self-justifying. Life is just one grand jerk off session. Exactly as it should be. Therein lies its beauty.

It's not bunk. It accurately predicts certain kinds of patterns within this dream. Which is good and useful. Not everything needs to be about escaping the dream. There's a time and place for escaping the dream, and there's a time and place for exploring the dream. You don't want either/or, you want BOTH!

@Joseph Maynor Dude, notice your black and white thinking. That's not gonna cut it in this work.

No, the problem precisely lies with dogma within their narrow fields of specialization. Name me one major physicist, neuroscientist, evolutionary biologist, psychologist, etc. who isn't dogmatic.

High quality science is a specific thing. It is openminded and dogma-free empirical investigation of the patterns within the dreamscape. This is a very valuable and necessary thing. Don't just dismiss everything as a dream. Nuance is important.

Of course real high-quality science is not in opposition to spirituality, and vice versa. Science just needs to be purified of its metaphysical dogmas and to clearly understand its limits. That's all. Science has always been corrupted by dogma, and it will continue to be for centuries to come. Science is in the process of weeding out its own dogmas. But this process takes millennia because people are so stubborn. In the next few centuries nonduality will to incorporated into science, and after that happens, every scientist will say: "Duh! Of course the universe is nondual. Those scientists in the 21st century were just stubborn materialistic fools."

@MarkusSweden If you can handle death, you can handle anything. (And you CAN handle death). Ultimately, you should be able to handle getting a tooth pulled without painkillers and enjoy it. But that sort of thing only comes with mastery, not with one or two awakenings.

@Speedscarlet At these levels, it's not possible to easily communicate. The work becomes very subtle. You can't look too far ahead. Just keep in mind that you don't really know how deep the rabbit hole goes, and that it's very easy to underestimate it. After you achieve your initial few awakenings, then more possibilities will open up to you -- depending on where your interests lie.

1) Exactly. That's called detachment. But it's precisely when you are detached that you can enjoy life and live with deep passion. 2) Yes 3) Technically speaking consciousness is not experience. Experiences come and go, but consciousness is Absolute. When you become deeply conscious, misery will become impossible, because you'll just see right through that illusion.

I would be more worried about the toxic food your put into your body every day, than the trace impurities in DMT. This is a good example of reversal of priorities.

I'll be just fine. No need to save me. But thanks for caring. I guess there's some love in you after all

Minds do not exist. There is only the Infinite Self. YOU ARE IT! There is nothing happening here but YOU! Yes, Sunyata means Void. The entire universe is a hallucination. It has no substance. Everything is Nothing. Nothing is Everything. Mu

Nah, there's deeper.

@Shanmugam On the other hand, he may know much more than you.

Lol I never said anything of the sort. That is your own projection coming from your own issues with women. Watch out with all this anti-feminist stuff, because you're using it to create an identity and shore up whatever personal fears and wounds you have. A psychologically healthy, conscious person will not rant against feminism, regardless of whatever wrong feminism may commit. A conscious person doesn't rant or hold grudges against anyone. That kind of axe grinding comes from ego. Ego has ideological positions which it needs to defend because it is unwilling to surrender to infinite love. Human social structures are hierarchical and still overwhelming male-dominated. They are tools of ego and used to acquire and maintain power over others. Breaking this down would be serve equality and democracy. And one way to break it down would be to replace the male-centered values with more female-centered values. Female-centered values are underrepresented in business, society, government, military, etc. They always have been, and will continue to be for a long time to come.

@Shanmugam I find him genuine. I could of course be wrong. He might be an axe murderer for all I now. But I don't worry about it because I do not hinge anything serious on him. He is but one data-point in my entire understanding of this field out of hundreds of other data-points. I don't like wasting my time arguing over spiritual teachers or digging into their personal lives. This is a distraction. Take the good, leave the bad, and study more. Don't hinge your path on any one teacher, and none of this will be a problem.

@StephenK It's very simple. You're inside a dream. This dream has infinite complexity and structure. You can explore and learn of the predictable patterns of the dream. But no matter how much of that you learn, you will still not understand you're inside a dream, unless you wake up.

Sadhguru looks an Indian Rupert Spira. No wonder he lets his hair grow out! P.S. Of course you're gonna be accused of murder if your wife does Mahasamadhi. No ordinary person would understand such a thing.

@jpablos16 If you feel your spiritual journey is talking on a dark, sinister quality, then what you're missing is the self-love component of this path. Only you can decide whether you should be pursing success vs spirituality. It definitely is possible to do both. But it's not necessarily a smart idea to begin both endeavors simultaneously. You can make a plan to work on shoring up your career for 3 years, and then moving your time and energy into more serious spiritual pursuit. Or vice versa. If you choose to focus on your success/career, you can still keep a small meditation habit going and read books, etc. You gotta have a larger strategic plan. Draft up a plan for the next 10 years of your life. So you're not living month to month. In 10 years you can accomplish A LOT of stuff if you plan it out well. Within 10 years you can: attain enlightenment, build up a solid career, buy a house, get a nice girlfriend, have a child, and more! You can have all of that by the time you're 31! Just think about that.

@John Lula No, you will be unable to do it alone if you don't already have some retreat experience under your belt. It's too challenging and planning the logistics is tricky. Start off with a formal, grouped retreat. After a few of those, you will be ready to do a solo one. Regular Vipassana is quite challenging already. It will kick your ass.

@Mighty Mouse You have yet to have an awakening to infinite love. Try contemplating it: What is love? It is not an emotion and it has nothing to do with fear.

McBuddha

@Nexeternity Try doing a solo meditation retreat. It's even better than Vipassana. Rent a cabin in the woods on AirBnb for 10 days. I'll be in Hawaii next week doing that.

@Mercurio3 There is no body, and there is a body. You have to be clear about which level of reality you're talking about. In the same way that when you talk about "a cat", that's one level vs saying "there are only atoms, no cats". That's another level. The nature of a nondual reality is that in order to talk about it, you have to define your terms, and your terms will always be limited and ultimately break down when taken far enough. Language is a pragmatic tool of the mind. It is not ultimate truth, but it can be relatively true. No, I didn't get any orange light. I just became directly aware of absolute infinity. N,N-DMT is much more visual than 5-MeO, so that's probably why.