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Through lots of trail and error I have found this to be true. It does not make sense to recommend self-inquiry to people who are stuck in monkey mind. They can spin their wheels for years without getting anywhere. Mindfulness training or Kriya Yoga is great for calming that monkey mind.

Just be aware, taking medications to halt the spiritual purification process is like pressing the gas and the breaks in your car at the same time. Ideally you let the process unfold naturally without trying to escape from it. Yes, it can be very difficult at times. The more growth you try to accomplish is the least time, the more shocking it is to the system. So there's a trade-off here. You can spend a decade waking up or a week. If you do it in a week, it will probably be hell. The most important thing to understand is that in the waking up process, serious emotional and energetic upheaval is quite common and normal. It is not a "bad" thing. Ideally you push through it. But if you feel like it's reaching a life-threatening level, then obviously find some way to back off and come back to it later. Also be ware of ego backlash. It's coming.

Sounds like a keeper

In the end, you gotta understand that what JP is doing, he's doing out of love. A twisted version of love. But you should also keep in mind that what Trump is doing and what Hitler did was also done out of love. So just because someone is doing something out of love does not mean it will turn out well for you or even for himself. The one who suffers the most from JP's ideology is himself. He is clearly not a happy man.

This is certainly true. Many young people today lack discipline and other healthy aspects of Blue. The challenge is teaching Blue without indoctrinating people into a nationalist, anti-Green rabbit hole a la Fox News. Yes, churches and schools are probably the best examples. I think African American churches are some of the best examples of healthy stage Blue. Military also teaches Blue well (when it's not doing war crimes). Yes, and it also leads to demonization of all higher stages. There is a cottage industry on YT for demonizing Green. Folks make careers out of it. One such folk is JP.

@Setty JP is certainly capable of making good points at times. The question is, how much turd are you willing to tolerate in your sandwhich before you say, "Okay, this here is a turd sandwhich. Why do I keep eating this? Is there nothing better to eat?" Fox News is also capable of making valid points sometimes. But is it really something that Americans should watch??

Oooo... sounds juicy

@Vagos I would focus more on not thinking for a while and building up your meditation, concentration, and yoga skills. I find the questioning to be ineffective without first being in a calm mind state.

Are you sure you guys are doing it right? You did promise them immortality and total omniscience, right? And they said No Thanks?

No, I'm not implying anything per se. I'm just assessing Trump's mind. He has the type of mind that will take down the ship with it if it goes down. I don't foresee a nuclear holocaust. But some phony war is within the realm of possibility. And more importantly he is going to wage a battle domestically this coming election cycle. It's gonna get nastier and dirtier than ever as his chances of reelection shrink. He will rally and whip up his base into an ideological frenzy. There will be even more conspiracy theories, demonization of decent people, and probably some degree of violence as things get desperate for Trump's base and they start to lash out. What you have to understand about Trump's base is that they're all-in. They will never admit defeat or any wrong-doing -- because it will be too ugly for them to admit. So they will double-down and scapegoat someone else -- like immigrants, Muslims, socialists, women, or whoever. As the failures of the Trump admin keep getting worse, the scapegoating will keep getting worse. The Trump phenomenon is like a giant swollen pimple that needs to burst. How bad it gets is hard to say. We have to be careful, but also don't get overly pessimistic. This is all part of the nation's growth process. It is all necessary to evolve to the next level. Just be careful not to get caught up in the eruption.

So what this tells me is you got A LOT of work to do before anything like enlightenment will dawn. Probably years of work. That's okay, but what I mean is, you don't have to worry too much about enlightenment right now. Focus building up your meditation skills, psychoanalysis, yoga, etc. All of that will build up your foundation. At some point you should begin to slowly ween yourself off the medication and pursue the Truth full-bore. Enlightenment is about facing your own death. So you need to build yourself up to the point where you're not having panic attacks and you a ready to face ego dissolution. You are not going to be able to avoid facing death. That is the whole aim of enlightenment work. Enlightenment is all about facing your deepest fears and seeing through them with extraordinary levels of consciousness and concentration. Weening yourself off SSRI's will also allow you to play around with psychedelics -- which are one of the most effective tools for facing death and fear.

@Meditationdude When you sit, what is your intention? What are you trying to understand or get? Sits are usually not nearly as effective without a clear intention. It's very important to become clear about what you want out of this work. And there are many things you could be working on / developing / realizing. If you want to just sit and done nothing, without any objective or goal. Fine. But then make that your intention and be clear about it: "I will just sit here like a cat and be in the present moment." Sometimes that's effective. Other times it's more effective to have some existential question you're working on, like "What am I?" or "What is reality?" or "What is Love?" or "What is Truth?", etc. But understand this: there is way more to this work than merely sitting like a cat. Nothing wrong with sitting like a cat. But if you really want to understand reality, life, and self -- that won't be enough. You need to probe various aspects of life to crack its secrets. Or you could be working on building concentration skill.

There are some things I don't share because it is reserved for future things I'm working on. Don't get too greedy. I share too much as it is.

Oops, yes. I fixed it. Thanks!

@Vagos Why are you on SSRI's and what is your plan for ultimately getting off them?

@Mikael89 Fundamentally we're here to do self-improvement and to grow ourselves as humans. I feel all those topics are relevant to that end. You never know when some seemingly unimportant topic might be just the missing piece you needed. But it's hard to please everyone. There are pros and cons going narrow or broad. My bias is to err on the side of comprehensiveness.

I already did. But I try to share my best resources on my blog. This sub-forum is mostly to see what you guys will create.

That is your self-bias talking, which you conveniently project onto me.

@Zizzero What you're missing is this: Every stage has healthy & unhealthy aspects. What are the unhealthy aspects of Green? Sit down by yourself and list all of them out. Then compare to Green news sources like TYT. You will see a nice match if you do the exercise properly. But you're gonna have to step outside your own personal opinions and biases to do this exercise correctly.

That only holds true for Green IF the other side is tolerant and non-oppressive. Green does not tolerate oppressive versions of stage Blue or Orange. Green will often viciously demonize capitalism or Wall Street, for example. Green can even be violent against oppression, as in the case of eco-terrorism, PETA, GreenPeace, and Antifa. Please educate yourself.

No. That is incorrect. You need to study the Spiral Dynamics theory more. Go read the SD book or the works of Ken Wilber. Ken Wilber wrote an entire book about the "Mean Green Meme". Green precisely demonizes Orange and lower stages. https://www.amazon.com/Boomeritis-Novel-That-Will-Free/dp/1590300084

No, you misunderstand Green. Green is precisely tribalistic against oppressors. Green does not embrace those who are intolerant, like racists or authoritarians. Which is why Green dislikes Trump so much. They cannot stomach his bullying of people and his divisiveness. Green is a collectivist stage which comes with some group-think and dogmas. This doesn't make it Blue. Green dogma is quite different from Blue dogma. Overall, Green is much better at dealing with multiculturalism. Green is not nationalist or racist. Blue is. Green is not so evolved that it will be understanding of racism. That requires Yellow and above.

Actually, that's part of Green. Green sees Blue & Orange as evil sometimes. To stop seeing Blue & Orange as evil requires Tier 2 Yellow perspective, which of course Green lacks. Besides which, Trump supporters are not the sharpest tools in the shed. Have you watched some videos of Trump rallies? Of Trump supporters being interviewed? It's beyond deplorable: The ignorance is astounding.

It's not enough to resonate with Blue or Orange. One has to transcend them. I can make YT videos that resonate with stage Blue and feed their worst racist impulses, leading them towards Nazism. I can make YT videos that resonate with stage Orange Wall Street types and help them to further exploit society and 3rd world countries with sweatshops. Fearmongering (as JP like to do) is not an effective way to lead people up the Spiral. How can you elevate stag Blue & Orange people to the next stage -- Green -- when you fearmonger about feminists, post-modernists, relativism, LGBTQ, environmentalists, hippies, Marxists, socialists, and communists??? That sends a message to stage Blue & Orange: "Don't bother going Green. Green is delusional and dangerous. Stay Blue & Orange." Conscious leaderships requires pointing out the limitations and dysfunctions of the current stage, not the future stage. For JP to lead people out of Blue & Orange he would have to be talking about the limitations and problems of Blue & Orange. Instead he talks about the limits of Green. Talking about the limits of Green is only helpful if you and your audience is at least Green. JP denies the seriousness of climate change. That alone tells you the danger of his ideology.

@Zizzero Many of these sources certainly have a bias. You have to appreciate that Tier 2 political sources basically don't exist. We live in the real world, where stage Green politics and news is about as advanced as it gets (for now). TYT is leading an effort to get money out of politics. Show me one other source which is doing that? Show me one right-wing commentator or channel which is vocally advocating for removing all money from politics or passing a Constitutional Amendment to remove money from politics. Like I told you before, both sides are not equal. You have to be able to watch these sources while at the same time being aware of their their biases (and your biases). And you always have to consider: what's the alternative? You gonna watch CNN? Fox News? What? You gonna stick your head in the sand and do nothing? All those alternatives are worse. Despite whatever biases they have, TYT is serving a very important function in promoting uncorrupted democrats who take no corporate PAC money or big dollar donors. Nothing like that exists anywhere else right now. If you can't appreciate the value of that, that's your bias clouding your vision. TYT elected one of the most conscious, empathetic, and uncorrupted congresswomen ever: AOC. TYT is actually the cutting edge of politics in America.