Leo Gura

The more I study and explore spirituality, the more convinced I am that spiritual talent plays a bigger and bigger role. I have met and talked with people who access crazy superhuman levels of consciously totally effortlessly without training. And these people can go deeper than those who practice for 40 years. It's quite unfair and outrageous. This is like a dirty giant secret of spirituality and meditation which no one tells you about because they want to believe we are all equal. Well, the truth is, we are nowhere close to equal. My experiments with psychedelics back this up. There are levels of consciousness so radical that you will never access them if you lack the proper neurotransmitters.

Actually, if you study some Spiral Dynamics and if you work on your own consciousness, it becomes easy to assess the levels of consciousness of politicians. This allows you to size up people very quickly. You will come to recognize the common tropes of every stage of development. It can take as little as 5 minutes to size up a politician, especially if they are low in development. People are harder to size up once they get into Tier 2, but so few people are in Tier 2 that it's not a problem.

@Harikrishnan No, no, no.

Locking this because I have a feeling people will share things they will later regret and then pester Mods to delete it. Remember, this is a public forum. Don't post things you don't want to be public permanently. Some things are best kept to yourself, close friends, therapists, and lawyers.

My Mom was loosely religious. She read me Bible stories when I was young. My Dad was scientific/amoral/atheist. My parents did not push any beliefs onto me. I was free to think as I liked. I was a pretty firm atheist by middle school because Christian metaphysics seemed silly. But in high school I realized that atheism too was a position and technically groundless and unjustified. But still I assumed it was right because the origin of God was not explained by religion as I knew it back then. I did not realize back then that it was possible for God to create itself. Now I am able to explain how Christianity & God really work to my Mom. And she basically understands. At least conceptually.

@Schahin The difficulty has to do with how you define "you". A person who has never awoken cannot resolve the issue of will because he assumes he is real. That you is illusory. You must discover the Universal You. Then we can talk. Ego assumes it is in control. But ego is illusory. So what then is actually in control? The Universal You.

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That which happens inside a dream is imagination.

I would be careful doing lots of back to back doses.

He still subscribes to many relative truths in order to function in everyday life.

Devil is a tricky word. It can definitely be misunderstood by newbies. Must be careful with it. But it's also a fun word, it's provocative -- which can be good as times -- and once you understand what a devil actually is (by watching my What Is The Devil video) then it becomes a very powerful concept for making sense of the world. It's important for newbies reach a point in their development where they realize, "Holy shit! I really am a devil, aren't I?" That takes maturity and honesty to admit. People who are in denial that they are devils are the biggest devils. Admitting you're a devil is already to have solved half your problems. This is the chief reason why I like to call people devils. It forces them to confront the fact that the devil is not an external force but an internal one. The ego loves to see itself as a hero and an angel. So telling an ego that it's the devil is very shocking and destabilizing to it. It's like poking a hibernating bear in the eye with a pointy stick. Of course an even deeper understanding comes when you realize that all devilry is actually love.

You definitely can't do it every day when you first start. You'll need weeks and even months in between for integration. It should take you at least 1 year to do those 10-20 trips. 10-20 awakening trips before you start to get it. They don't all have to breakthroughs, but many will be. You'll need many breakthroughs.

Yes, I will put forth many practical policies in Part 4.

Again, it's not so simple. Notice you are demonizing Orange. What's missing in your assessment is a lack of compassion for ignorance, which is what devilry is. And also, in your demonization you fail to see the good and love of Monsanto. The people working in that company have families to feed. And their products help feed half the world with cheap food. Without Monsanto many millions of people would starve because crops would be more expensive to grow. The rule is this: anything you think is bad and evil is actually good and necessary when seen from a higher elevation.

@OBEler You can't function in society or communicate with people without understanding relative truth. But relatvie truth isn't really a thing. Absolute Truth is the only thing there is. Everything you think is relative is actually Absolute. That's the delicious paradox.

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Talking about IQ is not going to help improve society. It tends to do the opposite.

God loves all.

I am God. I invented Jesus. I invented Christians.

@Jed Vassallo You won't know until you try. Treat this whole process like a mission to Mars. Each trip holds new surprises and wonders.

Aloneness is really no different than togetherness. As a human you can commune with others. If you were extremely conscious you'd realize all others are you. The ego gets depressed about it because it does not understand the beauty of God. Remember as a kid playing with imaginary characters in your mind? Well, that's what you're doing now when you think of Leo, but on a Cosmic scale. Don't worry about it. Enjoy the illusion of togetherness. Then enjoy the truth of Aloneness. And bounce back and forth between them forever.

@Jed Vassallo Probably depends on the person. When I trip these days there is no choice or efforting. God mode every time and regardless of substance.

This is just not true. Perception is filtered by your state of consciousness and level of ego development. Level of ego development, level of moral development, state of consciousness, and wisdom. IQ is not a proper measure of intelligence. You do not understand what intelligence really is. True intelligence is not IQ, nor anything close to IQ. Ironically, IQ is a very unintelligent way of conceiving of an measuring intelligence. True intelligence is one's ability to grasp larger and wider perspectives holistically while being fully aware that a perspective is just a perspective and never the truth. True intelligence is trans-rational, trans-linguistic, and unquantifiable. Argument has nothing to do with truth or understanding. I am not here to make arguments. I am here to guide people towards evolving their understanding of themselves and the world. Saying "you're stage Orange" is precisely the relevant issue here. Making arguments is a distraction. You cannot understand the points being made because your cognition is hijacked by the stage of development you're at. Stage Orange wants arguments for everything without realizing that arguments are beside the point. You need to recognize the limits of the Orange worldview rather than defending it. No argument will move you up out of Orange. Rather to move beyond Orange you must realize that arguments and logic are incomplete and limited. There are much better ways of understanding reality than logic or math or science. And this cannot be understood through argument or formal proof. Ego co-opts all arguments and proofs to maintain its worldview.

I do not look at the world through the filter of IQ at all. To me that is a narrow and foolish way of looking at people and societies. You are treating IQ as a fixed human quality but it isn't. The IQ of a society is like the wealth of a society. As a society grows it can raise the IQ of its members. The reason you're caught up on the issue of IQ is because you're at a stage Orange level of cognitive development, so you're stuck on rationality and quantifying the world. Given your worldview, if a thing cannot be qualified or rationally grasped, it isn't real and does not exist. You're not yet developed enough to notice that this is very limited and distorted way of looking at the world. You've also filled your mind with IQ ideology by watching videos and reading Reddit or whatever, which now colors how you see the whole world. But you're not yet conscious enough to see that that's just one out of an infinite number of models and perspectives, and a very crude and narrow one at that. You're also not conscious yet of the socially-constructed nature of IQ scores and tests. You hold IQ as some kind of biological absolute, which it isn't. You might as well be arguing that poverty is a genetic trait. This would be to misunderstand the social and systemic causes of poverty. If you want to evaluate people, level of ego development is the best metric. And ego development is fully changeable with practice, effort, and improvements to society. It is not a genetic absolute in the way that having 10 fingers is. I seek to hang out with wise people who are conscious enough to realize that reality is too complex and subtle to be quantified. But since such people are rare, I have to settle for dealing with the narrow-mindedness of rationalism and scientism.

Because it helps to explain things like Evangelicals who go to church every week for 20 years but have no idea what Jesus was actually pointing at and who behave the polar opposite of what Jesus taught. It's important to understand that mainstream religions have been corrupted by devilry for thousands of years. An Evangelical who thinks that God hates abortion and gays is precisely being a devil. God loves abortion and gays.

@oldman Overall you're doing fine. This can be quite typical. It just sounds like the ego isn't fully ready to surrender yet. Fairly normal. Remember, the ego is wrapped up with the body. It's a tangled mess. If the ego is not ready to surrender then anxiety and heart rate will increase as it tries to fight off the ego-death. My first few trips I had a lot of fear and basically even a panic attack. But after many trips and ego deaths there is almost no fear now when tripping and heart rate hardly changes. It has become a smooth transition from duality & ego into nonduality & no ego. I don't have that, but seems reasonable that that could happen. Your body probably has lots of emotional baggage stored in it from over the decades. It's good to let loose and shake/act that baggage out on psychedelics. That's a big part of the healing work. Sometimes the body has a lot of pent up energy which it wants to release or act out. Don't hold it back. Act it out without harming yourself or another. It should because all fear is illusory in the end. Your probably underestimate how much practice is required. So keep practicing. I'd recommend trying some other psychedelics like mushrooms or LSD. They can help you to deal with various baggage which will then make you pure enough for 5-MeO-DMT. You cannot go into full God-consciousness without being sufficiently pure and free of psychological baggage. A breakthrough can release a lot of pent up energy. The body can shake, move, vibrate, etc. Rather than going straight for a breakthrough I'd spend more time exploring the psychedelic space on mushrooms and LSD. Get comfortable in the psychedelic space. Have some pleasant trips. Contemplate consciousness. Move around and stuff. Then try to go for a 5-MeO breakthrough. I think you might be trying to go too quickly to the end. There is a lot to be gained from psychedelics even without a breakthrough. Trust that the breakthrough will come when you're ready for it. Dosage is not the most important thing, your level of purity and intent and tripping experience is more important. Basically, your first 10-20 trips are just like kindergarten. The key to success with psychedelics is patience and consistency. With practice the results will snowball into something amazing.