Leo Gura

@Hardkill Most relationships fail, period. Makes no difference how great you are. Doesn't even matter how enlightened you are. End of explanation.

There's your clue.

Because most celebs are nutcases.

You got everything backwards. Good luck with that.

Dude, we have so many JP threads already. Just... why?

Ahahahahaha....

Dude, these guys are the complete package: epic social status, epic wealth, top 1% looks, top 1% charisma.

Lolz

Shapiro's foray into filmmaking is obviously driven by ideology. He's taking a page from the Dennis Prager propaganda strategy. If you can't see this, well, I can't help you. Do some Hollywood movies have political messages and could also be considered propaganda? Sure. But most Hollywood filmmakers are no there to push an ideology, and even when they do, the messages they put into their movies are higher quality stage Green ones.

What I said does not contradict going on dates. But there is no relationship until sex.

Hahaha... The way our culture defines success and intelligence is so fucked.

That should not be the sole intention. My intention was always to find a good girlfriend. Getting her in bed was just a means to that end.

To get a relationship one must first get laid.

To be clear, many guys who get into pickup abuse it and don't give a shit about women. I'm just saying that pickup can be done in more conscious ways and the fact is that it works and it's not going away because men struggle with getting laid more than ever. So my solution is to make pickup more conscious and healthy.

@Anderz Sorry, but I can't take this any more. Everything you post is a denial of basic reality. Banned. Don't "flood the zone with shit" here.

It's sort of like you're saying, don't practice piano because you're not perfect and natural at it. Guys need a mechanism for getting better with women. Pickup is that mechanism. You can criticize it, but then you need to invent a better mechanism that actually works for guys. The problem is that what women think will work for guys -- does not work! It's like telling a lion to eat tofu. Sounds nice in theory but doesn't work in practice because he's a lion.

"That headspace" << See, you got some negative view of pickup as some fakery. You're framing this as though pickup teaches men to be dogs. But the reality is that most men are dogs whether they learn pickup or not. Pickup doesn't put the dog in the man. His genetics do that. The whole point of being good with women is that you make them feel more intimate and safe then untrained guys. The reason PUAs get laid so much more is because they make women feel more intimacy and deeper intimacy than otherwise. Intimacy is something that a guy can learn to create quickly.

So what is your proposal? That men don't train to get better with women?

I don't expect women to understand pickup. It's an incorrect view that pickup cannot lead to deep bonding experiences. All pickup does is increase your odds of getting laid. Where that goes from there is up to you. You can use it to get married or whatever.

And no one says it is or should be.

How would you know that? That's like saying the gym doesn't work for everyone. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I have used pickup skills to create deep bonding experiences. Of course not everything is a deep bonding experience, nor should it be. The average guy who has zero training will not know how to create deep bonding experiences. Which is your typical guy who you ladies complain about. He has no idea how to do deep sex or how to please you. Getting good with women requires training for most men. And training comes with lots of failure and trial and error.

That's because I sucked and was training to overcome serious social anxiety and inexperience, and pickup has a very steep initial learning curve. My conversion rate today would be much higher. But see, you don't care about such things as learning curves. Also, don't forget, most hot girls have boyfriends. Hard to have a high conversion rate when you are going for hot girls and many of them are taken because they get approached all the time and have so many options.

Exactly what pickup teaches, exactly what makes guys assholes. This is all much more complex than people think.

Lol How could the genius of Ben Franklin not foresee this? Yeah, every teacher and janitor should be a SWAT warrior trained in counter-terrorist tactics.