Leo Gura

@BlackMaze If you got a massive ego which is horrified by God, then you will have a backlash. God is not an easy thing to stomach. But assuming you dissolve much of that ego, then God is the most beautiful and enjoyable thing. It's like magic. Life is totally meaningless, but you can enjoy it regardless. Seeking God is for people who appreciate understanding the Truth of what the Universe is. If you really loved the Universe, you would want to understand what it is and why it is.

Yes, if you mean the biographical self (ego). Once you realize that then you can realize The Self as the whole Universe rather than a human self.

The building blocks of reality are not atoms, they are differences. It is not that differences aren't experienced, obviously they are. It's that these differences are imaginary and change at any time. What is salt? Salt is literally the difference you imagine between it and pepper, and every other thing in the universe. But if you realize those differences at all imaginary, there will literally stop being a difference between salt and pepper. Salt and pepper will become one thing. Your mistake, as it turns out, was to assume that salt and pepper are distinct rigid material objects.

Good! I'm happy to clarify all these genuine questions! I fundamentally disagree with this characterization of my work and rhetoric. There is nothing religious or dogmatic about what I teach. Just the opposite. In that video, both people were speaking from ego, neither person was even remotely close to having a deep grasp of spirituality, and they deep and fundamentally mischaracterized my work, Spiral Dynamics, levels and facets of awakening, and so many other points that it's hard to list all the ignorance in that video. That video is precisely ignorance which misleads people. Nothing on this forum is about a competition for who is more awake. This is completely antithetical to my teachings. Nobody here is in competition for being most woke or most spiritual or most Spirally developed. All that is pure projection and strawmanning. I talk about higher and higher levels of awakening only for one simple reason: That's precisely my experience of the spiritual path. And any serious spiritual seeker will relate. It has nothing to do with ego or wanting to escape the present moment. The things said in that video are so fallacious and slanderous that I would be laughing had it no influence on a gullible audience. I'm honestly baffled how Adeptus can do so much psychedelics -- and run an entire psychedelic channel -- yet be so clueless about spiritual work and what the psychedelic experiences mean. Yes, good. You are right. I do dismiss manual practices for several valid reasons which I have explained in the past: 1) Most people will not be successful with them. The factual evidence of this is very clear. Almost no meditators are deeply awake or even have a clue what God or Truth is. 2) Most people are not motivated enough to do them. And part of my job is motivation. 3) Even those people who do years of manual practice will almost certainly not reach the levels of consciousness that I speak of. This is also borne out by factual evidence and real-world experience talking to meditators. 4) For meditation to be effective is requires 100s of continuous practice. This is very hardcore and most people don't have the time for that. 5) There are some people who can meditate with little effort and get huge results quickly. Such people are rare and spiritually gifted without even realizing it. These are actually profoundly important points for any newbie spiritual seeker to understand. And finally, I still believe manual practices are important and even necessary. But for them to be effective people first need to be exposed to mystical experiences, otherwise there will be no motivation or even an idea of what meditation is for. Well, there are no clear lines. That's the challenge we're now in. I am going to be lenient and try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I am very mindful of not just banned anyone I disagree with for personal reasons. And I am mindful of the problem of creating a echo-chamber. That's not what I'm aiming for. I do not want a bunch of yes-men here kissing my ass. But we must have some fundamental alignment or fit. Some people here are obviously very out of alignment to the point that I don't even know why they want to be here. No problem. Newbies and intermediates fully welcome. You don't have to believe anything I say. Explore the spiritual terrain for yourself and discover what's true. That's the beauty of this work. The truth does not depend on Leo at all. All I'm doing talking about things you could one day become conscious of if you work at it. A banned account does not get unbanned. I don't know what disagreements you are referring to. The future of the forum is unknown and being figured out right here. Of course it's important. Much of the stuff I teach is grounding work. I am all for doing the basics. In that case I meant it in the most Absolute and final and radical sense. In other words, literally, nothing would remain. No, you're not still here at that point. Mahasamadhi does not mean you're still here. No material experience at all would continue. It's effectively death, for real. You don't cease to exist, you become an infinitely conscious singularity. WARNING: I do not recommend Mahasamadhi for any of you. It is to radical and you will kill yourself if you go down that road. And I don't mean merely ego-death. Mahasamadhi is not something anyone here should be thinking about. And it's also not what I teach. I spoke of it in that episode simply because I got close to it personally and I wanted to share it as a cautionary tale with you. It was not a pleasant experience for me to get that close. I have explained Love a lot in my videos: What Is Love - Part 1 & 2, and elsewhere. Watch those again. Love is not merely understanding. Love is all the physical such that exists. Love is also the realization that there is not difference whatsoever between anything. When you realize that there is literally no difference between an orgasm and cancer, you will realize what Love is. Amen. That's exactly what I love: substance. Some of that is outlined in the Forum Guidelines. But I would have to think about it some more in light of recent events. I might draft up a list in the future and post it for you guys so we are on the same page. That's a delicate balancing act. I want to avoid that. Consider the possibilities that these are not fallacies but actually high consciousness. If you become conscious enough, you will literally be so conscious that you won't see any difference between licking ice cream and licking a hot stove. These radical levels of consciousness are obviously dangerous, and I have warned people about it in the past in my discussions of psychedelic dangers. How do you supposed a Tibetan monk does self-immolation? He literally is so conscious that he cannot tell the difference between setting himself on fire vs otherwise. The difference between pleasure and pain is ultimately imaginary. This very much fucks with your survival. You see? After you deconstruct pain, you have to be careful and wise not to do something stupid like stick your hand in woodchipper, because pain and fear won't be holding you back any more. Yes, but you're overlooking the obvious: it's true. It is true that harming the body does not matter after a certain level of consciousness is reached. This is nothing new that I invented. This is part of age-old mystical teachings. Yogis train to sleep on a bed of nails. That's what strong determination sitting is about. Those sits are not good for the body, but the meditator does not care. Just because SoonHei decided to jump off a bridge in a tragic way does not in any way change what is true about pain and consciousness. He simply abused that truth. Truth itself makes no prescriptions. How you use the truth requires intelligence, wisdom, responsibility, and consciousness. The truth is that there is no reason to not jump off a bridge. You are free to do whatever you want. If you want to jump off a bridge, no one can stop you and even your own mind may not stop you. The reality is that most people don't jump off bridges because they fear death and because they enjoy life. As soon as you stop fearing life and stop enjoying life, you will probably jump off a bridge. So I recommend you enjoy life more. If you really love life, you will stick around to enjoy it. And if you don't, no force on Earth will stop you from killing yourself. You should note, all of my teachings are life-affirming. I talk about having a passion for life and building a great life and loving life. I do not talk about life as something to run away from or escape. Life is beautiful. So stick around. The human body does limit your consciousness. You guys seem to confuse two things: 1) Statements of truth, vs 2) What you should do about it. Many things are true but that does say anything about what you ought to do. If a yogi tells you that the body limits consciousness, that does not mean you should kill the body. The body has certain fundamental limits. What you do about it up to you. I have never said to harm the body as a means of raising consciousness. Harming the body NEVER been a valid Actualized.org technique. Look through all of my teaching and one example where I told you that harming the body is valid technique which I endorse. I have obviously never said that because it would deeply irresponsible.

You are starting to realize that everything is Consciousness. Which is very important. But it's still shallow. You can go much deeper in that realization.

So what happens now is that there will be a lot of polarization, division, and fragmentation. Everyone is gonna be forced into a position of pointing fingers and taking sides. People won't be able to help themselves. So just be mindful of that and try to not get dragged into the shitshow. Notice yourself getting dragged in. This is a good exercise for you in how politics works. It gets dirty real fast.

Also, guys, please... those of you who support my work, do not attack, harass, or aggressively defend me in public or on other channels, etc. Because people will just use that to further demonize and misunderstand what we do here. Be polite and not too aggressive. The way this PR game works it that the more you try to defend Actualized.org, the more people will call you a delusional cult member. So you have to be smart about the PR game here. This is not about truth anymore, this is all a PR game now. This is collective ego survival 101. So those who will be attacking and demonzing Actualized.org will not care about truth, they will care about validating their worldview. And in their worldview Actualized.org is, of course, very conveniently, a dangerous cult. That will always be the easiest, laziest angle of attack.

Everything I read on this forum is feedback. But of course that doesn't mean I agree with it necessarily or that I will adopt it. But yes, this thread is very much about feedback and I will certainly use the lessons here to make future decisions about how to best structure my teachings and how to deal with people in general. This is not just a thread to cull people out who are critics. I am open to criticism. That is nothing new to me. I get criticized every day. Any healthy community must be open to feedback and criticism. The issue here is that I see A LOT of people fundamentally misunderstanding my teachings. Either they don't watch the videos or they just got some twisted ideas about what is said. It is those misunderstandings that I want to squash. My first responsibility is to make sure that my teachings are correctly understood and not misunderstood. So that's the purpose behind what I'm doing now. I see way to much misunderstanding and that frustrates me. But I'll deal with it.

No, that does not sound like a clear no-self. That was a glimpse into what consciousness is and a seeing through the illusion of materialism. No-self is simply when you clearly realize there never was a human self. It will fee like: "OF COURSE! How could I have been dumb as to ever believe there was a self?!!! What the fuck is a 'self' anyway?!!! Of course there's no self!" It's very clear and obvious when you hit it. It will help you to contemplate: "What is a self?" Like, seriously! What is it?

Here is the discussion thread about the teachings and the future of Actualized.org

Is this a joke? These people are both clueless. They have no understanding of my work. This is the problem with this entire situation. Which is that clueless people will start to opine on things they have no understanding of because "it's a cult" and "I don't feel comfortable" and "It's all ego". Of course in truth both of these people are speaking of ego so deep they don't even know what ego is yet. So what will happen now is A LOT of profound misunderstanding and projection which causes people to completely get distracted from consciousness work and waking up. And that is precisely how devilry works -- out of ignorance and fear it mislabels true teachings as falsehood, while replacing the true teachings with ignorance. So this is how the game works. Be ware of that, it will be happening a lot. There is going to be a culling of this community. My teachings will polarize people, those of you guys who have a problem with my core teachings will have to leave this community and find yourself other communities, because I am not going to tolerate nonsense and projection here. Going forward I expect a very nuanced understanding from you of my teachings, and if I don't see that, you will be asked to leave. Nothing personal, but I have better things to do than argue with ignorance or trolls. I am not going to sit by and deal with people who have little comprehension of the things I teach and the warnings about this work that I have given out in the past. If you honestly believe that my work promotes suicide, you should make plans to exit this community because we will not be getting along and I have no interest in teaching such people. Those of you who understand that my work obviously has never promoted suicide, I appreciate your support. I should also note, those of you who disagree with my teachings about Love and God-realization will also be asked to leave. You have no business following my teachings. This thread is being closed, but I will be opening a new thread which will be a discussion about the nature of my teachings and you guys can vent whatever grievances you have with me or my teachings there. There you can also hand in your resignations if you are leaving the forum.

I want to clarity for people who might be reading this anew that measures will be taken to further minimize misunderstanding of the teachings and make things extra clear regarding suicide and other potential dangers and how to avoid them. So don't get the idea that nothing is being done or no feedback is being listened to. Making the teachings safer and clearer is something I hold as important. But you also need to understand that they will never be fool-proof and people will ignore warnings even when they are given. The kind of people who are most susceptible to misusing the teachings are precisely those who will tend to skip over warnings.

It's an interesting question. I don't know of a good answer. It's mysterious and infinitely complicated to explain what makes awakening occur in scientific terms. It's not even clear that there is an explicit answer.

Do not fearmonger and spread toxic ideas. We are here discussing this issue so people can get closure. This thread is not a license for run hog-wild with crazy ideas. Nobody is here to kill themselves and nothing in these teachings is remotely about that. This idea that anything whatsoever in these teachings is even remotely close to suicide needs to end right now. There is no such confusion in the mind of any reasonable or sane person. Please stop spreading such rumors. Keep in mind that if you guys insist on promoting such ideas about my work, I will stop sharing my teachings with you entirely. And then you will be all on your own.

SoonHei was nowhere near the consciousness or development level of The Buddha. If he was awake he would not have jumped off a bridge. An awake person doesn't behave that way and certainly doesn't ask others about it. He was simply eager to reach liberation via suicide rather than doing the hard work. Why spend 10 years meditating or taking psychedelics when you can just jump off a bridge? "Die before you die" does not mean: go die. He took it as that.

Yup Yup It's this. It's life. It's the dream that is your life. The experience bubble you're in is Absolute Truth. It just has nothing behind it. Like a video game. There is nothing behind the walls, so to speak. It's just a bubble of surfaces that create a perfect illusion of a game world. The world itself does not exist as anything but the appearance of the NOW moment. You can say there is only 1 frame to this movie/game. That frame is Absolute, and you see it now. This frame is God/Universe/Self. You are not in complete God-consciousness, you are in human consciousness. It's not stupid at all. It's infinitely genius. Otherwise it could not fool you.

All of these are standard nondual truths. If you cannot handle them, then stop doing spirituality and nonduality. I am not going to babysit you. The entire point of all spiritual work is to realize that death is imaginary! "The secret to life is to die before you die -- and find that there is no death." -- Eckhart Tolle "Nothing that was real ever died, only names, forms, and illusions. The end of illusion – that's all death is." -- Eckhart Tolle "When you have died this death, you realize that there is no death, and that there is nothing to fear. Only the ego dies." -- Eckhart Tolle "There is no doubt whatsoever that the universe is the merest illusion." -- Ramana Maharshi "Death is nothing else but going home to God, the bond of love will be unbroken for all eternity." -- Mother Teresa "Death is not extinguishing the light; it is only putting out the lamp because the dawn has come." -- Rabindranath Tagore "Death is a taboo in most societies in the world. But what if we’ve got it completely wrong? What if death was not the catastrophe that it is made out to be but an essential aspect of life, rife with spiritual possibilities for transcendence?" -- Sadhguru "The only reason why people have such a fear of death is they know nothing beyond the body." -- Sadhguru "Death is a cosmic joke. If you get the joke, falling on the other side will be wonderful." -- Sadhguru "Death is a fiction of the unaware. There is only life, life, and life alone, moving from one dimension to another." -- Sadhguru - - - - - - So please, spare me your crocodile tears about my teachings. My teaching are perfectly consistent with 2000 years of mystical and nondual tradition.

@How to be wise Become conscious for yourself what is true. You're so wise and smart. You tell me what is true.

Because there is no way to filter out those people and because at least those people might get some help from fellow forum member. Again, your guys' expectations for this forum are way off. This forum is purely pro-bono work. I offer no guarantees to any member or user of this forum that I will reply or help in any way. I could leave and not post on this forum for 2 months. This is not a clinic, this not therapy, this is not even life coaching. There is zero client relationship here. It's simply a big chat room. No guarantees of help are given. And in fact, no serious help is possible in this format. Vulnerable people will inevitably come. Suicidal people will inevitably come. Drug addicts will come. Mentally ill people will come. Poor people will come. Criminal people will come. And it is not my job to help any of them any more than it is your job to save every mentally ill poor person you see the sidewalk. There are thousands of people in the world who need serious help. Unfortunately there is not enough time or energy to help them all. I help those who I can when I feel capable and have some free time. Otherwise it is not my business. I am not here to save the world. And I am not in the business of building out a mental health organization. It is a full-time job just to keep Actualized.org running, even not counting what nonsense goes on on the forum. Please understand this. No Youtuber or CEO or guru is running around personally saving people. Sadhguru or Eckhart Tolle is not gonna answer your email and talk to you. Sadhguru does not even show up at his seminars. It's just a video recording of him. The amount of time and energy which I have devoted to answering your guys' questions and problems via forum and comments is so outrageously high that you can not even being to calculate it. Nobody in the self-help or spiritual industry or on YT has answered as many questions, in such depth, for free, as I have. Find me one person who has done more. I spent an hour on the phone last week talking down Connor the madman. Just to get trolled. You are seriously taking for granted how hard I work for you for free. And if this kind of attitude continues, I will stop commenting and answering questions full stop. It will all be shut down. I have zero desire to play these social games. And I will have zero guilt about it, because I owe you nothing. I could be enjoying a drink on the beach right now, counting my money and smoking some DMT. Interacting with you and helping you has been something I've done for 5 years purely out of passion.

Few people in the world have such luxuries.

I basically expect you to handle your own emotional stuff. I don't have the time to deal with people's emotional ups and downs. I talk about emotional issues in my videos but I am not going to hold your hand through them. This is totally unfeasible to do and you gotta learn to deal with it yourself anyways. If you need emotional assistance, that's what you hire a therapist for. And don't forget, a therapist charges $200/hr. If you were playing me $200/hr, then you could expect one-on-one personal help with your emotions. A doctor charges you $400/hr. This is an online chatroom.

Well, you need to become conscious what is absolutely true about the matter. Personally I have answered the question for myself. I know it's all an illusion. But you have to see that for yourself to believe it. Beware! To see the total illusion will not be easy to stomach. And it may endanger your material existence. I reached a point in my consciousness where if I went any deeper, I would probably be dead right now. Has any large human social group ever ended well? Like, ever? Think about why that is. This forum software is very complex and it basically cannot be changed.

I didn't say "valuable" I said true. Value is a relative human matter. My concern is truth. Of course I never discount the value of permanent awakening -- whatever that even means. I just dispute people who say that temporary awakening is false, unreal, delusional, not valuable, or not part of the awakening process. And I got no problem with that. Just stop demonizing and discounting the validity and importance of psychedelics and temporary awakenings. I was speaking figuratively from a human's POV. God dreams because that's what God is, an infinite dreamer. God has nothing better to do but to play these games. You guys keep missing something very important about life: life is play! It's a game! It's meant to be playful. Yet you take it so seriously. It's like the idea that God could be playful does not occur to you. God doesn't need anything. God is just playful and creative. God is not acting out of lack, it's acting out of infinite creative abundance. Descartes demon is imaginary, so there is nothing to deal with. God is infinite, leaving zero room for demons.

That is not feasible and that will not be happening. I made a decision a few years ago when I updated the disclaimers to the Forum Guidelines that we are not in the business of suicide prevention or mental healthcare. Nor will we be entering that business. This forum's purpose is to be a casual place for chit-chat. This forum is a tiny part of my job and it eats up way too much time and energy as it is. I spend more time policing this forum that I do on any other aspect of Actualized.org -- just to keep the devilry in check. This is precisely why I never started a large organization or spiritual commune. The idea was to keep things small and simple and casual. In the future I may remove every social aspect of Actualized.org entirely. No comments, no forum. Just videos. Because that is the core of what I do. I am not a babysitter. I am a researcher. And we don't have any corporate team here.

I don't know the details. Connor lies so much that it's hard to tell what is true about him. Suffice it to say he's got serious issues which probably existed for a long time.