Leo Gura

Bliss is more like material bypassing

No, I mean something far more radical. Imagine a reality where Christianity is literally true for everyone. And that is the only reality. A 100% Christian reality. That would be a real test of God's dreaming skills. So my question to you is: How good of a dreamer do you wager God is?

Christanity can be true within some dream. Contemplate this: If God cannot dream up Christianity as true, then God isn't really Infinite.

Not an external world, but an infinite possibility space of imagination.

I'm curious, how many of you here suffer from tinnitus (ringing in the ears)? What caused your tinnitus? How loud is your tinnitus on a scale of 1 to 10? Have you found any solutions that worked for you? The reason I ask is because I think I found a cure, which I plan to share in a few weeks.

This where even 1 solid friend can do wonders. Sounds like you need to work on developing a friend or two who is into this work. You could trip in a motel room or a tent.

Transcending judgment is really fucking difficult. Because it's so fundamental to our survival.

@CoolDreamThanks Excellent! Now you're starting to grasp the depth of the problem. However, it gets even trickier because you are still entangled with the game of survival. You are not free to sit out on the sidelines because life must go on and choices must be made. And no matter how enlightened you get or whatever, you will still be using your mind to make choices and to manipulate reality around you. You will still be thinking, and probably not be thinking well, since that is the default unless you train yourself how to think properly. So you're damned if you do and danmned if you don't. And then there is stuff you can know. You can know you're God. And many other things. Be careful just parroting some platitude of "I don't know". In fact you know many things. If no knowing was possible, that would be too easy. Our situation is more difficult than that. God gives you just enough knowing to hang yourself with

Welcome aboard.

Your experience is still absolute and could not be otherwise. However, absoluteness is a very tricky thing. Just because your experience is absolute does not mean stuff can't also be hidden. In a sense everything is hidden from you except those few things you experience. The reason my teachings are not clear is because I've been busy discovering crazy shit that no one understands or talks about. And I don't have a good way of talking about it. I reached levels of consciousness I cannot make sense of or talk about. Utterly alien shit. And I don't know what to do with it. Meanwhile nondualists and Buddists gaslight me at every step.

Now we're talkin! I like the way you think.

The biggeat trick is that God can hide stuff from itself. Consciousness has the capacity to forget and to remember. So imagine that therr is a goblin living in your closet, but you just forgot about it. That's really the power that God has over itself. There are literal goblins that God is hiding from you. This is an aspect of God/Consciousness that no nondual chimp understands or talks about. Because they brainwashed themselves with the idea that now is all there is. But there exist goblins which you don't now see. But you could see them if only your consciousness was higher. And no amount of nondual chimpery will do it.

Look, God encompasses all dualities you can think of, even the conscious and unconscious duality. It's all One, but this One unfolds in many tricky ways. I don't have a full grasp of the nuances of its unfoldment. It's too tricky to grasp it. If you say there is God and then some even more fundamental void prior to God, then you have created a duality.

A sore muscle is not the same.

No. The amount of God is always 100%. No. You are describing formlessness, which is also God.

You ever had a hangover or a headache after a day of deep tripping? That's your clue it ain't good for your body. Listen to the clues your body is sending you

I've awoken to being a cartoon wolf, so... Cartoon Wolf Consciousness, bitches.

This can depend on how high of a consciousness you look at it from. In practice you are imagining that other people are dreaming in parallel to you. If you become super duper conscious you might transcend that. But then again, there is even higher consciousness which transcends that. Maybe.

This is some silly bit of logic. Science is also conceptual. Concepts can point to real patterns within a dream. Christianity could point to real phenomena. The problem is that is probably does. Jesus could actually have risen from the dead, but he probably didn't. In this sense Christianity is false. And who knows, may Jesus dod rise from the dead. We don't technically know. Just because something is conceptual does not make it false. Falsehood is the relationship between your concepts of the dream you're in and the actual dream.

They are wrong relative to their own dream. Flat Earthers are wrong because if they take a flight out to space they will see a round Earth, not a flat one. In THIS dream. In some other dream the Earth may be flat. But we are not in that dream now. Your beliefs need to match the dream you're in. Or else you are wrong.

Hey, ya'll, I need your help! I want to create a comprehensive list of video examples of prototypical stage Orange thinking. This is not meant to humiliate or demonize stage Orange. It's meant to be an educational tool for people learning about Spiral Dynamics. So towards that end, scour Youtube and find all the videos you can which exhibit stage Orange thinking. Try to find videos which are short and sweet. The more diversity we can display here, the better. Try to find examples from various cultures: Europe, Middle East, Asia, Indonesia, Japan, Russia, Africa, South America, etc. We will create a mega-thread like this for every stage in the Spiral, from Red to Turquoise. But here, let's just focus on Orange. Each week I will start a new mega-thread topic for the next stage. Do not start a political debate in this thread! It is not our goal here to defend our personal political positions or to judge any stage, but simply to compile examples. Thanks for your help! I'm excited to see what kind of juicy stuff you dig up. Try to be selective with your choices. This can turn into a really cool list. List of Orange Values: Achievement, success, excellence Climb your way to the top Upward mobility Obsessed with being #1, be a winner Improving one’s own position in life Efficiency, progress, productivity, optimization Gaming the system, min-maxing, manipulation Creative exploitation Action, results, pragmatism Never-ending growth Capitalism, libertarianism Competitive marketplace Deregulation, denationalization Hard work, business, entrepreneurship Competition, winner-take-all Self-improvement Skills, knowledge, education Confidence, optimism, charisma Entertainment & showmanship Personal freedom, self-reliance, independence Free speech Money, sex, luxury Net worth Physical appearance, youth, sexiness, coolness Consumerism, conspicuous consumption Brands Pop culture, celebrities, social media Quarterly profits, mass market, sales Mass production, industry Rationality, logic, science, secularism, humanism Technology Materialism, reductionism, atheism, evolution Hard-nosed science, no New Age mumbo-jumbo Pragmatism, empiricism, skepticism No metaphysics Analysis “Facts” Data, analytics, models, quantify everything Science-based fact-based education Double-blind, peer-reviewed studies “Scientific method” IQ Strategic planning, risk analysis Innovation & creative thinking Results & the bottom-line matters most Maintaining a competitive edge Competence vs rank or bloodline Recognition, reward Win-win outcomes Stage Orange Examples: America, capitalism, emerging China, businessmen, CEOs, biz suits, corporate boardrooms, lawyers, Wall Street, Wolf of Wall Street, insider trading, Manhattan, hedge-fund managers, Goldman Sachs, Big pharma, Big oil, Big banks, tobacco companies, advertising, Fortune 500 companies, entrepreneurs, libertarians, Ayn Rand, professional sports, FIFA, NBA, Superbowl, sponsorship deals, fashion, Rolex, nightclubs, pickup, MOGTOW, redpill, bro culture, Republicans, Trump, trophy hunting, breast implants, plastic surgery, Botox, liposuction, pornography, Playboy, Hustler magazine, Hugh Hefner, Larry Flynt, strip clubs, Hollywood biz, supermodels, Silicon Valley, start-ups, venture capital, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, casinos, theme parks, Carl Icahn, Koch Brothers, corporate raiders, Walmart, Amazon, Coca-Cola, McDonalds, Disney, Monsanto, Microsoft, GE, AT&T, IBM, Facebook, EA, micro-transactions, gamer culture, Enron, R&D, lobbyists, Dick Cheney, Halliburton, yuppies, internet, bodybuilding, Arnold, steroids, corrupt politicians, MBA programs, golf courses, fly fishing, anti-union laws, patent trolls, Western medicine, Larry Ellison, Steve Ballmer, Dave Rubin, Stefan Molyneux, outsourcing, deregulation, tax cuts, trickle down economics, payday loans, sweatshops, junk food, fast food, energy drinks, used car salesman, marketing, sales & PR, focus groups, television, reality TV, infomercials, game shows, CNN, MSNBC, liberal media, e-commerce, financial industry, software engineers, technical scientists, nuclear weapons, luxury yachts, private jets, personal helicopters, real estate tycoons, railroads, the Gilded Age, Robber Barons, Andrew Carnegie, Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, William Hurst, Rupert Murdoch, Robert Mercer, technocrats, cocaine, alcohol, pop music, rock music, club music, rap music, trophy wife, gold-digger, oil drilling in Alaska, champagne & caviar, fancy restaurants, luxury resorts, cruise ships, mercenaries, Black Water, gated communities, mansions, video games, Success magazine, private prep schools, poker players, self-help industry, biz books, biz seminars, marketing seminars, Dan Kennedy, Tim Ferris, Tony Robbins, Tai Lopez, Brian Tracy, Michael Shermer, Richard Dawkins, Lawrence Krauss, Daniel Dennett, Sean Carroll, Stephen Hawking, Christopher Hitchens, consulting, success coaches, millionaire mindset, net worth, sports cars, Mercedes, BMW, Rolls Royce, Lamborghini, Ferrari, VIP, celebrities, paparazzi, Las Vegas, Cannes film festival, Aspen, Palm Springs, Hong Kong, Macau, Dubai, cost/benefit analysis, nerd culture, polyester clothing, PT Barnum, snake oil salesman, atheism, skepticism, separation of church & state, enlightenment values, “Western values”, Founding Fathers, Benjamin Franklin, Voltaire, Renaissance, Industrial Revolution, factories, Henry Ford, WTO, Ferengi, Kim Kardashian, Kanye West, Paris Hilton, Bernie Madoff, Paul Manafort, sex drugs & rock n roll, mid-life crises, malls, fashion shows, NASA, SpaceX, Elon Musk, for-profit universities, get-rich-quick schemes, online millionaires, Bitcoin, Forex, daytrading, utilitarianism, Logical Positivism, behaviorism, Darwinism, social media, gun rights, Ivy League universities, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, CalTech, military industrial complex: Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrup Grumman, Sigmund Freud, Harvey Weinstein, 2008 financial collapse, dot com bubble, Cubism, Abstract Expressionism, Surrealism, multi-level marketing, Viagra, DDT, asbestos, billboards, GMOs, cloning, human genome project, stem cell research, robotics, computers, birth control, sex education, all-you-can-eat buffet, karoshi: death thru overwork, Alex Jones, prosperity preachers, Howard Stern, South Park, The Simpsons, Family Guy, House Of Cards, Avatar, Boiler Room, Ray Kurzweil, Sam Harris

@Schizophonia If you don't understand that women don't operate in a logical way then you don't know jack about women and there is nothing further to discuss. Study the difference between masculine and feminine psychology.

Don't just wrestle with it in some vague sense. Sit down with a pen and paper and think it through with some concrete examples. You will start to see how it works.

Hard work applied to starting a career/biz will kill both those birds with one stone. You could also apply that strong work ethic to spiritual practice or raising a family or personal development. Blue is about discipline. Orange is about achievement.

Pick which ever you want. It would be as real as the physical world. But everything the Mind imagines is absolute in the ultimate sense. The mistake is holding only Nothingness or Formlessness as absolute. But all form is absolute too. This what the nondualists miss. You can explore other kinds of consciousness and other dreams. Of course they are still dreamt by you, but its like you enter a new reality. It's not like you cannot travel beyond your one island. Of course you cannot escape it all being your imagination. That's always the case no matter what.