Relative vs Absolute Truth
By Leo Gura - July 6, 2021 | 9 Comments
Helping you distinguish the domains of the relative and the absolute.
Hi Leo,
Your videos show enormous range of depth and great didactical skills. But, the way you define “absolute” and “infinite” imposes a definite barrier to ever delve even deeper. Consciousness as-such (whether perceived as all, or as nothing) is not the end. There is a layer below. When the time is ripe, consciousness may reveal a wish to know what it is made of. (Not what it IS… since consciousness and is-ness form a pair, a tautology). In hundreds of ways, it can be seen that consciousness itself, is almost consistent, but not fully.
For instance, 1) what is “direction” made of: pointing, this-seeing-that, this-willing-that, this-later-than-that? 2) Subject-object, even when fused together, paused, no data flowing, is an experience, ever so slight knowing it exists, made from deeper “stuff”, a single principle. 3) Which must be unchanging, have no varying states. 4) If Insight is straight, and taken very far, it sees the back-of-iets-head, as a paraox. 5) There are way to create an illusion of infinity… e.g. a billion pixel movie. Or a 100 year life, which is finite. …)
The deepest layer cannot be experienced. You concluding “consciousness experiencing itself”, this loop, in its entirety… loops in WHAT?
What kind of timeless, absolutely unchanging hardware, could run a software program called “Infinite-playing-Finite”, producing all of your experiences so far?
truth says: the guy does not know what truth is.
truth is a drug addict who does not hold anything as really holly, as if he was talking about humanity or humanitarian values, all spiritual stuff is only used for him to excert power over people in his small virtual world and beyond. as if understanding one concept makes him advanced before the practitioners of such, if he talkes about relative vs. absolute truth he talks about just one and the same thing, his relativity which is absolute. he really hates on everything non conformative to his beliefs. i always thought it is about shocking people, to zoom out of it, after some years in his forum i found out, he really means it when he says there is no difference between him and hitler. his truth is the absolute.
truth says: sorry for the misspelling of course what was meant was holy, wholly.
free will says: conditioning vs learning.
what is the difference between a cue and a pre cue? ofc if you have been through a thought process already, its much more difficult to reset to the unknown. what is the difference between conditional learning and unconditional learning? if that is the question, there is no thing as unconditional learning.
Max Gron says: As for the dual paradigm, that’s what almost everyone is doing, “finding” “truths” outside of myself, even with my own creation. But they’re wrong, tell me because reality’s present to me and what I can see and because I’m responsible for reality that automatically means my perceptions, what I feel by sensations, and what I experience directly of myself is automatically true! Am I right?
Max Raoy Gron says: You’re absolutely right, like it or not, you’re very honest, but didn’t you get this from Leo when he referred to “direct experience”? Yes! Don’t argue, your sensations might be real, but also it could be a misperception. Your senses can fool you, you who’s a beige person in spiral dynamics! You act like somebody else, not like myself, you’re an artificial carbon copy. You act like any idiot who misunderstands something. I think you’re very ignorant, you only know what you’re trained to think, it speaks for itself, you sure know how to be sensible without your senses fooling you, you’re a phenomenalist and you know it.
Max Gron says: I should’ve known Leo Gura was bullshitting about relative truth, what “we are all one” is pointing to isn’t true, not everything something points to is true, it’s false! I also should’ve known Leo Gura deleted my comment on this page, I got myself an app of Sherlock Holmes on this phone and it’s a great series of books by a guy whose name I don’t recall, yes, those are fantastic books as I like reading more fiction than non-fiction, plenty of fiction. Also on the Temu app it was my lucky night, I spent my free money and bought three sophisticated items, also I found out I was almost brainwashed by the dentist about quitting smoking when the smoke was hurting my throat but I’m not falling for it, slowly quitting one addiction, that’s coffee, is enough, I’m not leaving in my past another addiction, you’re purposely going to feel a sting in your throat, that’s just the hook for a dentist to enforce your quitting of smoking, it seems like I know nothing about how I can be duped into a thing, but I figured out all the tricks, except a few, which I’ll look into to not fall prey to the tricks, these are themselves relative truths.
Maxiwrong says: Whether it’s relative or absolute truth doesn’t matter, I’m not an absolute truth thinker, and despite what Leo Gura says about what science is in the business in I’m a scientist, you can’t know truth from the absolute once science is in the picture, it’s about the truth, period!, not some fancy notions of the truth. Science is fancy enough, it all depends on what equipment you bought, I understand scientists, in playing these games, isn’t doing games in the name of games, but in the name of making tests and clinging to them, it’s hard to convince a scientist how their science might be caused by their prejudices of bad psychology and the love they didn’t receive, but as this falters science and doesn’t enhance science Leo Gura’s right, my dad’s calm demeanor towards science by the time I reached my early forties has enhanced the truth of my scientific studies and didn’t hinder them, it makes my science much smoother, and it’s got a lot to do with how tolerant my dad is to produce quality science, even though he’s not himself a scientist, in actuality I have a personal and pretty messy lab in the loungeroom that isn’t a conventional science lab but precisely like that of a loungeroom at dad’s house, where I do my microscopy, that’s because the amateur has more passion and higher quality science than the money-hungry technician studying apes in the lab, Leo Gura’s obviously an amateur because he doesn’t get paid to do science, he gets paid to do mystical thought on things including science, he hasn’t done any actual science so when he says that about you it’s also about himself. If my comments are too strong in the trolling they get deleted, if it disbelieves spirituality the website won’t post my comment.
Maxiwrong says: As things are a certain way because it’s Christmas I listened to a Eurodance version of jingle bells, it’s still the same, music or anything during Christmas isn’t making a difference, I don’t see a special thing, it’s normal, it’s not different, the sameness is absolute, differences are in your mind, your imagination creates a difference but it’s not fucking real, I can’t see any differences, it’s all copies of everything else. People try to force me to make any difference when I’m the same, I think like them, this isn’t okay because they’re trying to force reality to be different to the sameness I hold, I don’t want this, I didn’t ask for myself to be different, I’m not fucking different, I believe in everyone else’s beliefs, I’m that similar that differences are impossible, stop believing in impossible things, it’s impossible for a reason, that means it can’t happen, it’s impossible to force me to give in being different, I’m not doing this, you can’t force me to be different to you, it wouldn’t be such a hard time being the same if you just accepted it, nobody cares, my reality was meant to be fun, nice, and easy-going and you force it to be scary and disgusting, I hate my life, and I hate it when you force reality to fit what you want to deny, I hate everyone’s religion, and I hate your version of God, my religion is the right one, yours is wrong, so very wrong, so much demonising people, and demonising money, there’s no reality, it’s fake behavior doing everything fakely, I can’t get the truth out of anyone.