Disappointment in Eben Pagan

[Aaron p]

@Michael569

Im sending just a little chunk of ai generated info about the courses overall. Don't see the wall of words and exit lol I really appreciate your advice.

 

Do you know of any courses that would be better? Possibly with a more appropriate price Vs tutoring? Also I resonate with what you said about not mindlessly going through the programs. Perhaps you could tell me about some courses that are more philosophically/epistemologically stimulating. (Now that you say that, such an emphasis on ai does sound a bit lazy psychologically).

 

Also I was thinking about the fact that if I were to start some kind of coaching operation myself I would want to have teachings and techniques that lean very heavily in the direction of spirituality. It's just difficult because a lot of spiritual teachers are fucking morons. 

 

 

 

 

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Both Future Coach and Virtual Coach by Eben Pagan offer multiple package tiers with varying features and pricing. Here's a refined breakdown of each program, detailing the available packages, their contents, and any additional costs or subscription requirements:

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🧠 Future Coach Program

Duration: 8 weeks 

 

📦 Available Packages

1. Standard Package

Price: $997 (one-time) or 4 monthly payments of $297

 

Includes:

8-Week Future Coach Training & Certification Program

Access to coaching tools and resources

Community support

 

Access Duration: Participants have access to program materials, including recorded sessions and automated A.I. tools, for at least 6 months after the program ends.  

 

2. Upgrade Package

Price: $1,497 (one-time) or 6 monthly payments of $297

 

Includes:

Everything in the Standard Package

12 Coaching A.I. Power Tools

200 Personal & Business Growth Prompts

A.I. Accelerator Pack Infographic

12 “Psychic Marketing” A.I. Tools

NEXUS: Your Affluent Client Network

$100 Million Marketing Templates

Self-Made WEALTH

Total Value: Over $10,179  

 

3. Pro Package

Price: $2,497 (one-time) or 4 payments of $697

 

Includes:

All features of the Upgrade Package

Additional advanced training modules and resources

Details: Specifics of the Pro Package's additional features are not detailed in the available information.  

 

 

💡 Additional Costs & Subscriptions

All packages are one-time payments or structured installment plans.

There are no recurring subscription fees or hidden costs associated with the core packages.

Access to program materials is time-limited, with at least 6 months provided post-program for the Standard and Upgrade packages. 

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💻 Virtual Coach Program

Duration: 90 days (approximately 12 weeks) 

 

📦 Available Packages

1. Full Payment Option

Price: $2,497 (one-time)

 

Includes:

Comprehensive 10-week training curriculum

Certification upon completion

Access to weekly live classes with Eben Pagan and faculty

Lifetime access to course materials

 

Bonuses:

Tech Tool Trainings ($1,997 value)

Marketing Step-By-Step ($997 value)

Wake Up Productive ($497 value)

Presentations That Pay ($197 value)

Digital Product Marketing Library ($24,000 value)

One Ticket to Virtual Coach Live ($997 value)

Total Bonus Value: Over $30,000  

 

2. Installment Plan

Price: $97 refundable deposit, then 6 monthly payments of $497

Total: $3,079

Includes: All features and bonuses of the Full Payment Option  

 

 

💡 Additional Costs & Subscriptions

Both payment options are one-time payments or structured installment plans.

There are no recurring subscription fees or hidden costs associated with the core packages.

Lifetime access to course materials is provided.  

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Summary:

 

Future Coach offers three tiers: Standard ($997), Upgrade ($1,497), and Pro ($2,497), each with increasing levels of resources and tools. Access to materials is time-limited, with at least 6 months provided post-program.

 

Virtual Coach provides two payment options: a one-time payment of $2,497 or a $97 deposit followed by 6 monthly payments of $497, both granting lifetime access to materials and a suite of valuable bonuses.

 

In the Future Coach program, access to most AI tools, templates, and training modules lasts for at least 6 months after the course ends. After that, access may expire unless renewed via subscription—though exact tools and terms aren't clearly listed. The time limit encourages full engagement during the program. For specifics, it's best to contact their support directly.

 

 

The likely reason why these tools are limited are estimated to be the following reasons: 

 

1. Incentivizes urgency – pushing users to fully engage within a set timeframe.

2. Encourages upsells – offering ongoing access as a potential subscription or upgrade.

3. Offsets costs – running advanced AI tools has real expenses on their end.

(Also because these tools are designed primarily for business startup to bootstrap the launch and start of business).

 

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Edited May 8 by Aaron p

[Aaron p]

Overview of the general positives and negatives of the future life program and the virtual coach program.

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Criticisms of Future Coach:

- Time-Limited Tools: Access to AI tools expires after 6 months, requiring additional purchases for continued use.

- Overwhelming Content: Excessive materials can confuse users about what to prioritize.

- Upsell Pressure: Aggressive marketing for higher-tier packages and add-ons.

- Limited Live Interaction: Not enough live coaching or personalized feedback.

 

 

Criticisms of Virtual Coach:

- High Cost: The program's price may be prohibitive, especially with added costs for tools.

- Limited Real-World Application: Lacks enough practical, hands-on experience.

- Overwhelming Information: Extensive content may be hard to digest and apply.

- Lack of Personalization: Limited individualized support.

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Positives of Future Coach:

- Comprehensive Coaching Framework: Well-structured training covering all aspects of coaching.

- AI Tools: Offers powerful AI tools to streamline client management and business operations.

- Community Support: Access to a supportive online community of coaches.

 

Positives of Virtual Coach:

- Complete Training: Offers a full, step-by-step process to become a certified virtual coach.

- High-Value Bonuses: Includes valuable marketing tools, templates, and resources.

- Lifetime Access: Course materials are available for lifetime use with the full payment option.

 

 

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[Michael569]

16 hours ago, Aaron p said:

o you know of any courses that would be better?

I'm a believer of taking time to find the right mentor / coach to resonate with you. I have a personal thing against hyped up self development celebrities "coaching" millions of people. It is nice on the surface but there is no deep work. 

My advice would be to go beyond flashy adds and websites and speak to a bunch of people you find through google maps or tailored google search. 

16 hours ago, Aaron p said:

Perhaps you could tell me about some courses

I'm a health therapist, I don't think my services would be appropriate for this context. 

16 hours ago, Aaron p said:

ant to have teachings and techniques that lean very heavily in the direction of spirituality.

it is a hard balance to strike and eventually you have to market yourself to a specific type of client or specific type of problem or a segment of clients rather than just be "life coach" or something that generic. You need to be mindful of what are you trained to do and what are you legally allowed to do as well.

You also need to be able to recognize red flags and be able to refer certain types of clients which you are not trained to work with

 

Edited May 9 by Michael569