Great talk about Holistic Medicine (Joe Rogan and Dr. Andrew Weil)

[DrewNows]

The only true danger in ideology is giving away our power. Belief systems, can’t live with them can’t live without them. Reminds me of this post 

 

[Nickyy]

21 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

@Nickyy if you don’t see the truth in his modality then that’s your problem. I’m not concerned about stage yellow and what he may appear to be for you...his relative truths are closest to my own experiences and most relatable to the journey of breatharians (again I am not concerned with your beliefs on this) 

Bahahahahahahahahahah!

I see the truth. I've just told you how to discover it.

It's not through Ideologies like acid /alkaline or iridoligy, it's through integrating what is common from different schools of thought that appear to contradict each other..

Ideologies are for first tier thinkers.

 

 

[Nickyy]

15 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

The only true danger in ideology is giving away our power. Belief systems, can’t live with them can’t live without them. Reminds me of this post 

 

Do you have anything original to say? Why are you just repeating word for word sentences from these raw vegan community people?

How about thinking for yourself?

A lot of us have trodden your path, just falling for one school of thought. 

That's how cults are created. 

Think independently instead of just posting things that you think sound new age just because you feel that they are true.

 

 

[DrewNows]

@Nickyy do you realize who you’re judging? Look in the mirror buddy, hope it feels good to entertain those stories 

I’m on a unique path and I appreciate it if you didn’t try to force your beliefs or ideologies about it on to the process and expression. 
You’re not above anyone buddy no matter what you might believe, we don’t always have to slam our devils, because this is like only treating the symptom  

If you don’t think I should be lazy in my posts by simply sharing content then that’s your problem, don’t follow it 

 

Edited December 3, 2019 by DrewNows

[Nickyy]

10 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

@Nickyy do you realize who you’re judging? Look in the mirror buddy, hope it feels good to entertain those stories 

I’m on a unique path and I appreciate it if you didn’t try to force your beliefs or ideologies about it on to the process and expression. 
You’re not above anyone buddy no matter what you might believe, we don’t always have to slam our devils, because this is like only treating the symptom  

If you don’t think I should be lazy in my posts by simply sharing content then that’s your problem, don’t follow it 

 

Just because spiral dynamics calls turquoise "holistic" doesn't mean "holistic health" is turquoise.

Holistic health is quackery and ideology. Sure it tries to call upon as many ideas as possible to treat people, but it's not really integral because all the theories contradict themselves. It's fragmented rather than integrated.

That's why we call 2nd tier integral.

Edited December 3, 2019 by Nickyy

[DrewNows]

9 minutes ago, Nickyy said:

Holistic health is quackery and ideology. 

Why? Because it addresses more than your self-centered beliefs of having no ideology? 
i don’t think through the ideology of spiral dynamics not that I never do, am against it or anything. It’s just as useful as the detox ideology but I don’t choose to bash it 

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[DrewNows]

10 minutes ago, Nickyy said:

Sure it tries to call upon as many ideas as possible to treat people, but it's not really integral because all the theories contradict themselves. It's fragmented rather than integrated

Please explain. Integration is in the self healing aspect, self empowerment, something he advocates again and again 

[DrewNows]

My purpose on this forum is to learn, share and connect 

not here to debate, judge and manipulate (but I also realize I’m not perfect) ?

@Nickyy maddd respect for your abundant expressions here. Still becoming aware of my grudges in this exciting process of actualization 

[Nickyy]

@DrewNows

18 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

@Nickyy do you realize who you’re judging? Look in the mirror buddy, hope it feels good to entertain those stories 

I’m on a unique path and I appreciate it if you didn’t try to force your beliefs or ideologies about it on to the process and expression. 
You’re not above anyone buddy no matter what you might believe, we don’t always have to slam our devils, because this is like only treating the symptom  

If you don’t think I should be lazy in my posts by simply sharing content then that’s your problem, don’t follow it 

 

 

7 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

Why? Because it addresses more than your self-centered beliefs of having no ideology? 
i don’t think through the ideology of spiral dynamics not that I never do, am against it or anything. It’s just as useful as the detox ideology but I don’t choose to bash it 

I don't adhere to spiral dynamics . I use it as a tool to expand my self concept.

How can the transcendence of ideology be a self centered belief?

Belief IS ideology. Transcending medical ideologies by integrating different schools of thought to expand Consciousness isn't an ideology or belief. It's a tool for personal and collective growth.

Now, if you insist on even talking about yellow and turquoise and all the things you try to associate new age medicine with, then you have to understand what 2nd tier is. You can't really have your own version of it.

Having your own version of what it means to be 2nd tier misses the point. Most of us here will agree that 2nd tier is a very specific stage of development. We have decades of research supporting it . 2nd tier people resonate with each others perspectives.

It's a thing. Trying to bastardize it is a sneaky way to cherry pick what you want it to be so that you can elevate your quackery to the highest hights

[DrewNows]

Using one ideology against another, no? 
 

Your belief is in where you peg me

there are an infinite amount of facets in creation. I can break the rules if I wish, your idea of quackery may be my idea of creativity.
But thanks for calling me out. I apologize because when I feel attacked it communicates I may not have expressed myself in an ideal or mature way and you are no longer open to understanding what I wish to share. I suppose it’s my own compulsive nature coming out prematurely. 
I seek to understand before being understood and to cut down on the manipulative poor quality posts 

I need to listen to the emotions that arise in relation to the conversations on here 

cheers man 

Edited December 3, 2019 by DrewNows

[DrewNows]

@Nickyy what you have helped me see is that taking responsibility (something I’m working on) means observing whether the thought/information I wish to share arises from a place of choosing (self love) or from the need for healing (fear/uncertainty). I recognize this through my feeling 

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Edited December 3, 2019 by DrewNows

[Nickyy]

48 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

there are an infinite amount of facets in creation. I can break the rules if I wish, your idea of quackery may be my idea of creativity.

This makes no sense whatsoever.

What do you mean that there are an infinate amount of facets in creation?

It's clear what you are doing . You like something on YouTube and you come on here and parrot it word for word without showing any ability to question it or try to find what's true about it.

That to me says you haven't even started to question conventional conditioning. It seems you want to replace one kind of culture with a other without doing the work so that you can feel like you're making progress.

I haven't seen you present a single argument on here . All i see is posting teal swan videos and the rankest quack nonsense from the raw food community.

Just because something is not mainstream doesn't necessarily make it post conventional. Especially if it makes no sense, people like yourself blindly adhere to conflicting ideologies and cannot see that what it is about a system of thought that has commonality with another system thought and cross reference results in order to find out what is actually true and what is fraudulent . 

All I've seen so far is blind belief and conformity to new age ideas.  

The biggest problem is you really don't see how irresponsible you are by spreading this stuff as if it's gospel.

 

 

Edited December 3, 2019 by Nickyy

[DrewNows]

1 hour ago, Nickyy said:

This makes no sense whatsoever.

What do you mean that there are an infinate amount of facets in creation? Love is creation my friend and it looks exactly how we choose to see it and this is ‘what is’ infinite  

It's clear what you are doing . You like something on YouTube and you come on here and parrot it word for word without showing any ability to question it or try to find what's true about it.

im not here to question reality like you seem to be, sorry you assume my experience to be such. Perhaps there’s something deeper for you 

That to me says you haven't even started to question conventional conditioning. It seems you want to replace one kind of culture with a other without doing the work so that you can feel like you're making progress.

the work does itself my friend, you can get out of the way whenever you choose, as I have, allow and trust in Yourself

I haven't seen you present a single argument on here . All i see is posting teal swan videos and the rankest quack nonsense from the raw food community.

I can see you but you haven’t seen me it seems  

you wish to argue while I choose to empower others

Just because something is not mainstream doesn't necessarily make it post conventional. Especially if it makes no sense, people like yourself blindly adhere to conflicting ideologies and cannot see that what it is about a system of thought that has commonality with another system thought and cross reference results in order to find out what is actually true and what is fraudulent . 
you seem to enjoy doing an awful lot of debate and rationalizing

All I've seen so far is blind belief and conformity to new age ideas.  

There you go buddy, now get back to work, let go of your need to agree or disagree with my experience 

The biggest problem is you really don't see how irresponsible you are by spreading this stuff as if it's gospel.

again this is your problem, you’re ignoring me and fearful of losing  power, enough projecting  

 

 

 

[DrewNows]

@Nickyy also to be clear I don’t condone detox dieting, only recommend exploring detox healing which is a temporary journey. 

[Nickyy]

@DrewNows Detox healing, dieting, whatever you want to call it, fasting, should be done in the presence of qualified medical professionals.

Again, cross reference your information with other models (schools of thought) to find out what true.

Your quack herbalist puts people at danger because he's a reductionist and unwilling to acknowledge any other form system other than his own narcissistic teaching 

Fruit works, as we have seen backed by science and channels like mastering diabetes.

Fasting works as has been shown by true north fasting centre.

Vitamin c works because it's also been peer reviewed. But do it under proper care and with surgery and chemo if that's what your doctor is open to.

Eat fruit and fast by all means. But do it in an integrally informed way rather than joining a cult who thinks they have all the answers.

That's what I'm saying 

Edited December 3, 2019 by Nickyy

[DrewNows]

20 minutes ago, Nickyy said:

@DrewNows Detox healing, dieting, whatever you want to call it, fasting, should be done in the presence of qualified medical professionals.

most of our doctors have very little experience with detoxification so it would require going to the right specialists. 

Again, cross reference your information with other models (schools of thought) to find out what true.

i can do this but We don’t need to give our power away 

Your quack herbalist puts people at danger because he's a reductionist and unwilling to acknowledge any other form system other than his own narcissistic teaching 

this is false, he has respect for others, even other modalities, like the allopathic community, he understands it isn’t the people that’s the problem but the level of human consciousness. Not saying he doesn’t have an agenda, I’m saying he has much more to offer than all the ignorance most put up with today. 

Fruit works, as we have seen backed by science and channels like mastering diabetes.

dont pretend like there’s an abundance of promotion, information and studies for this in western medicine because self healing affects even directly threatens many big powers within the system, healthcare, pharma, food company’s, doctors you name it. There’s so much confusion among diets today it’s a based out of fear and greed/ survival of the self 

Fasting works as has been shown by true north fasting centre.

Vitamin c works because it's also been peer reviewed. But do it under proper care and with surgery and chemo if that's what your doctor is open to.
can you see your beliefs, I have one word: breatharian. Still waiting for science to make studies and share this with the mainstream 

Eat fruit and fast by all means. But do it in an integrally informed way rather than joining a cult who thinks they have all the answers.

it Just sounds like you think you have all the answers, we do and we don’t ay man? YOUR issues now seem to be with him. If his protocols have saved lives, with lots of specialists to work with those open to his theory/modality then why are you still bashing his work? 

That's what I'm saying 

I posted another as well quoting yours in case you didn’t see. I’ve already owned up to some irresponsible behavior you helped me understand 

Edited December 3, 2019 by DrewNows

[Nickyy]

@DrewNows Just pointing out the difference between 1st and 2nd tier thought.

That's all 

I'm here to help evolve the community, not to say j have all the answers, just to bring more information to the model.

Cheers

[DrewNows]

 

11 minutes ago, Nickyy said:

@DrewNows Just pointing out the difference between 1st and 2nd tier thought.

That's all 

I'm here to help evolve the community, not to say j have all the answers, just to bring more information to the model.

Cheers

How noble but I assure you...

you are NOT a Jedi yet! 

[Nickyy]

@DrewNows Maybe I should just post teal swan videos without saying a word of my own?

Maybe that is the Yoda shit?

 

[DrewNows]

2 minutes ago, Nickyy said:

@DrewNows Maybe I should just post teal swan videos without saying a word of my own?

Maybe that is the Yoda shit?

 

Do I owe someone something I’m not aware of? What are you not choosing to look at?