Matt Stone & Trey Parker on the spiral?

[CultivateLove]

In case you don't know, they're the creators of South Park, The Book of Mormon and a lot more.

If you actually pay attention to the show, there's a lot more to it than fart jokes, they seem to have a pretty meta understanding of culture and human psychology. 

They have also done some psychedelics, not sure to what extend though. They took LSD and wore dresses to the 2013 Oscars 

Thoughts?  

Edited November 10, 2019 by CultivateLove

[Sempiternity]

I am a big fan. I'd say they're Orange. They seem to have a distain for Green culture. Taking psychedelics does not equal higher Spiral Dynamics. To lower SD it's just a fun party drug. Hence taking LSD as a 'joke' to get attention at the Oscars. Funny, but not high consciousness. 

[CultivateLove]

@Jed Vassallo They definitely go hard on unhealthy green through characters like PC Principal and Strong Woman. Personally, I don't think that's because they have a disdain for green values though, rather it's because of how PC Culture blew up recently in a ridiculous manner and it's a comedy goldmine. 

But I wouldn't say that's solid evidence that they have a disdain for green, because keep in mind they've been making jokes of orange for probably more than a decade now, as long with well, everyone and everything pretty much lol 

I would estimate they're an even split of orange and green, with a sprinkle of yellow. Yet at the same time, I don't think they know about Spiral Dynamics or even care. They obviously just love what they do, and don't let things like money, materialism, status or power get to their heads, they just... create. 

They make movies, musicals, video games and South Park obviously. And if you look at their creation process, they're having a blast the entire time. 

Edited November 10, 2019 by CultivateLove

[Sempiternity]

"Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee!"

~Trey Parker
 

"When you're superhot, you don't have the time to enjoy being superhot, because you're working your ass off. By the time we will actually have time to really go out and screw around, we won't be hot anymore."

~Trey Parker
 

[CultivateLove]

@Jed Vassallo First quote is a line from Cartman btw  Not everything on the internet is accurate. 

Just because you found a couple of "orange-ish" quotes, it doesn't solidify the argument that they're solidly orange. That is a very big claim that requires very strong evidence, because nobody is at just one stage of the spiral. People (and spiral dynamics) is a lot more nuanced and complex than that. To me it just seems like you have an axe to grind because you have some green shadows yourself and some of their jokes triggered you, making you believe they are somehow inferior or less developed. 

I can just as easily find some quotes that support my argument when given without any context or date (keep in mind, some of those go back to before the 2000's), but I prefer not to, because I'm not trying to "win an argument", I'm trying to make an accurate assessment.

"Basically ... out of all the ridiculous religion stories which are greatly, wonderfully ridiculous—the silliest one I've ever heard is, 'Yeah ... there's this big giant universe and it's expanding, it's all gonna collapse on itself and we're all just here just 'cause ... just 'cause'. That, to me, is the most ridiculous explanation ever" - Trey Parker

"I love life...Yeah, I'm sad, but at the same time, I'm really happy that something could make me feel that sad. It's like...It makes me feel alive, you know. It makes me feel human. The only way I could feel this sad now is if I felt something really good before. So I have to take the bad with the good. So I guess what I'm feeling is like a beautiful sadness" - Trey Parker and Matt Stone, South Park, Raisins, 2003

"When someone goes, 'Oh, this group is really pissed off at what you said,' there's not a piece of my body that goes, 'Sweet!' That means I did it wrong. I'm just trying to make people laugh." Trey Parker