Conspiracies do happen! And they have a massive influence on society

[tenta]

1 hour ago, Apparition of Jack said:

What are some examples of these conspiracies exaclty?

Two companies coming together to screw over the customer

A company manipulating it's collective ego

Trump using loyalist republicans to hide information and keep echo chambers going

Cults etc.

[CaptainBobbyOlsen]

Hi @Apparition of Jack First of all I think it is necessary to contemplate who/what is holding the “real” power in society and how/why this is so. What I mean with “real” power is that there is an important dynamic between what is a perceived power-position such as a president, and that which is the true driving force behind society. Most people who are considered as powerful leaders are rarely as influential as society and maybe even themselves make them out to be. If the president of the USA was as powerful as that position is thought to be, then Trump would surely have lead society into a total collapse of sanity by now, but what exactly has changed? Nothing, Nothing! The conventional view of society is that there is some kind of a centrally orchestrating “cockpit”, wherein all the components that are needed to control society is located. Often people assume that the “cockpit” of society rests somewhere within the white house(in USA) or at the least somewhere within the domain of politics. Less conventionally people also believe that the “cockpit” lies with some kind of nefarious cabal of Satanists or reptilians/archons/a shadowy force who/which is reaching out to all of society like a giant octopus. Common for most worldviews is that the power of society is assumed to be centrally located with either some person/persons in a position of perceived power(politicians, CEOs, Billionaires, banksters etc.) or that everything is controlled by something more shadowy, which is just outside of the stage of society. What I have found is that the “cockpit” can’t be located or found in any “one” specific place, one kind of organization/government/group of powerful people/evil aliens/interdimensional entity/other, but instead it is something much less quantifiable and much more subtle. It is an invisible level of consciousness/a certain perspective/a worldview that manifests itself in many ways within society. This however does not mean that no single person or organization can enforce their own self-serving agenda over a domain of society, and through that be a catalyst for a change/direction throughout society. The problem right now is that the consciousness of society at the moment is extremely conducive of corruption and conspiracy, since the level of understanding within society is aligned with secretive and manipulative behavior by groups/organizations/etc. Society is insanely complex and there are so many “players” who wants to control society or aspects of it, and this will inevitably breed conspiracy left and right in order for specific “players” to assert their own view onto society.

And now to the conspiracies… In an earlier post I wrote: “The conspiracies that are important are rarely single occurrences, but systemic issues that run throughout society like a virus that goes undetected. The core conspiracies are so in tune with the nature of our society that they are nearly impossible to distinguish from society itself. This is because they literally are made of the fabric of society it self, they are so ingrained into society, they are the pillars that most people try to defend”. A classic example of a core structure in society that is build upon conspiracy is the way our economy is structured. If one is really looking at what economics are at the core, a conclusion involving the fact that economics does not work in the best interest of the people will probably be made. I started a topic about economics a while ago https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/40073-acknowledge-even-10-of-thisand-you-are-to-be-deemed-a-conspiracy-theorist/… Another example of a structural conspiracy is the control of perception, especially perception of society through news and education. The way that the news-medium work at the moment it is an extremely efficient conductor of political conspiracies, as the news(does not matter which news-station it is, they are all manipulative) literally are able to facilitate manipulation of society that does not work in the interest of the general public. A great example of this is pretty much every single war that America has fought the last 100 years… Look deeply into the war in Iraq, and you will very quickly reach the conclusion that the media knowingly manipulated public perception in order for an invasion of the Middle East to take place.                                                                                                                           

I suggest that you go and explore the rabbit hole yourself, understanding that the “real” power is not what most people believe it is. Just because no single powerful figure controls society, it does not mean that conspiracies do not perpetrate society. There are so incredible many levels to society, and every different level or domain of society at the moment is vulnerable to self-serving agendas… Snatch some tinfoil and get searching  

Have a great day  

Edited November 21, 2019 by CaptainBobbyOlsen

[Nickyy]

On 03/09/2019 at 6:50 AM, CaptainBobbyOlsen said:

This is my first post after having been a lurker for a looong time… And I will start by offering an apology for not making this post shorter, and if you feel like you’ve wasted your time with reading this I offer you my deepest condolences I felt it needed to be comprehensive to a certain degree in order for my point of view to fully be fleshed out, which it sadly still hasn’t. This is a vast subject so I will probably come across as an idiot because you will think that I’m a tier 1 ignorant snowball. But that is okay with me as long as it will make actualized.org more open-minded. 

 

Parallel to what I call my spiritual "awakening" I have had what I consider my own societal "awakening", with which I mean a complete reinterpretation of how society really works. I realized that what my mom and dad, teachers/school/uni and the news told me about society is equally as misguided as that which is taught about the nature of reality by institutions such as the church of scientology or Christianity. I became a believer in conspiracies… The last couple of years I have brushed my societal “awakening” a little bit aside and focused more on the spiritual, but when Leo released his conscious politics episodes it ignited my societal awakening a little bit once again. I feel like Leo has a great and holistic understanding of society, and how we should move forward creating a more loving and aware society, though to my still limited understanding he has missed a huge part of how we are going to do that… Namely understanding the importance of conspiracies in the way our world is constructed.

 

First of all I want to stress that conspiracies do happen! This is what Dictionary.com says about conspiracies: conspiracy = ”the act of conspiring”, conspire = “to act or work together toward the same result or goal”. By this definition conspiracies happen all the time! You can call it devilry if that will make you more comfortable. Conspiracies happen at work, in school, among friends, low-end criminals and especially high-end criminals, politics and government, media, big business, big pharma and “insert” any important aspect of society… They are not simply ideas or theories that some fat and angry stage red/blue/orange type person comes up with in order to satisfy his/her own thirst for power (Alex jones type of people). And they happen every single day! People all over the world are being punished by our court system on the basis of conspiracy every day. A large portion of the significant events in our history from ancient Greece and until modern time has been based on conspiracies. Many important political events (example=the death of Abraham Lincoln and the war on drugs), many important economic events (example= the federal reserve and the petrodollar) and many important military events (example= war in Iraq and the weapons of mass destruction) have been based on a group of people conspiring in secret i.e. they have been working together in order for a specific outcome in society to happen, one that often times works in the favor of their own low-conscious egos.

 

So in my own possible self-deception, there is no doubt that conspiracies do in fact happen, the question is the following: is it of any importance at all? I think that it is of massive importance because conspiracies literally deceive us, they literally define our society and pretty much everyone including Leo brushes them aside as if it has zero influence on society, and that they are absurd and do not exist. What made me start this topic was the fact that Leo writes in his guidelines for this sub-forum, that we are not “allowed” to discuss conspiracy theories, which I believe is equivalent to someone trying to become enlightened being told by a teacher that he/she is not allowed to seek or believe knowledge from ancient and modern mystics because their ideas are too radical… will that person become enlightened? Probably not will be a common answer. Just like someone trying to understand non-duality will not be spoon-fed the truth in any of society’s institutions, one will not be spoon-fed the truth about society in any of the current institutions, not in school, not by the media, and from my point of view unfortunately not completely on actualized.org either. I’m not claiming to be the messiah of conspiracies, and the knower of all the wrong perspectives in other peoples worldviews, I’m just trying to shine a light on to the fact that most citizens understanding of society is lacking by them overlooking the immensity of the conspiracies driving our low-conscious society. If the people on a massive scale are able to understand some of the key conspiracies in our society we will automatically move up the stages in spiral dynamics, because it is to my knowledge this lack of understanding/transparency that is keeping us as a whole from moving towards more love and awareness. Conspiracies are the way by which a stage blue-orange ego can succeed in imposing its devilry onto others.

 

To end this post I would like to say that from my perspective looking for truths about society through any kind of mainstream institution be it educational or mainstream media, American or European one will not find any structural truths, only surface level truths unless one looks at these institutions from a higher perspective, a meta perspective. One source that has been of utmost importance for my current understanding of society is journalist James Corbett from https://www.corbettreport.com/ watch his TEDx Talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOeAa6Ye4dc on how he came to a new understanding of the role of the media (him becoming what is popularly called a conspiracy theorist). If you like his way of presenting I urge you to look him up on YouTube or corbettreport.com, and watch his absolutely brilliant documentaries on important aspects of society such as the Federal Reserve, policies, military, big pharma and many others. Please look beyond the occasional click-bait titles, which is mostly written with a sarcastic undertone, and note that I definitely do not agree with him on everything since some of his core believes are of tier 1 nature in SD, but that he nonetheless has a tremendous investigative talent. To end this post I would like to say that I currently consider James Corbett to be the equivalent of Leo Gura in terms of understanding how society is shaped, great but not perfect

 

Good luck finding your own enlightened tinfoil hats, and make sure that they contain enough tin

Nice work. Yep it's ubiquitous, that is why you got to develop a finely tuned bullshit detector and mature from infantile judgementalism to mature discernment and healthy skepticism. Even people in your own self development circle are conspiring because it's just part of being human. Everyone seeks power at some level, nobody is immune to corruption and corrupting ideas so that they can come out on top.

I consider fine tuning my own inner bs monitor as an essential aspect of PD work.

Let your anger inform you when you feel that someone is losing integrity, everyone has an agenda, no matter how well developed they think they are. 

Edited November 22, 2019 by Nickyy

[CaptainBobbyOlsen]

Hey @Nickyy . I agree with you very much that one will have to develop a finely tuned bullshit detector in order for a deeper understanding of society to form. The problem is that a bullshit detector is always guided by the preconceived understanding of the bullshit, so how is it really possible to know how one should go about designing such a bullshit detector?

I don’t think that your advice about letting oneself be guided by anger is a great solution in developing more understanding in society. Fear and anger should never be the way we should go about changing society! Fear and anger is basically the reason society is still in this dense situation of low-consciousness. Fear and anger usually just leads to some other kind of fear and anger. Understanding and vision is primary and should to my knowledge be the guiding principals in a bullshit detector! Instead of letting oneself be guided by a present anger, one should instead just let it be a pointer for a potentially deeper understanding.

Society is not just one single pile of bullshit, but a whole field of different piles of shit, and the piles aren’t just bullshit but also chickenshit, goatshit, dogshit, birdshit and so on. A great bullshit detector would not be angry when detecting some walrosshit, since a well-developed bullshit detector already knows the intricacies of how the pile of walrosshit relates to the rest of the piles of shit  There are many piles of shit in contemporary society, and you are definitely correct when you say that we need to develop our own bullshit detector.@Nickyy , how have you gone about developing your own ability to spot bullshit?

Have a great day