The Greatest Act of Love

[Preetom]

21 minutes ago, Gili Trawangan said:

Yes, the sense that it has always been ok. It's quite hard to put into words, there weren't really thoughts going on at the time.

yes thats it. The unadulterated experience of your own self.

21 minutes ago, Gili Trawangan said:

As the level of consciousness began to decrease, if one can say it that way, there was the knowing that the sense of separation would return, so maybe there was some grasping at that point. At the same time, there was the certainty that that knowledge would never be called in to question again. But at no point was I aware that love is a fundamental aspect of reality. It's not to say that I didn't experience some feelings of love, but love as the very fabric of reality the way everybody talks about here? Not really, I missed that.

Notice how you described the 'downfall' part.

You know the ancient story of elephant and 5 blind men? Each man touching and experiencing different parts of the elephant and calling it a different thing. Like a tree trunk(legs), snake(tail), fan(ears), wall (body) etc.

Notice whats been going on. The actual real time experience of the elephant is genuine and whole. Its only when they try to explain it or map it out afterwards, that their knowledge gets heavily conditioned, fragmented and limited by the past knowledge graph(for example, in order to call it a tree one has to first have a conceptual idea about what a tree is).

This is the dilemma of all the disagreements among spiritual traditions, religions etc about the absolute or god. So the reason you couldn't frame it as 'love' which many others here are doing is simply the difference in past knowledge graph. That doesn't make your actual breakthrough any less than whole.

Now break that story and take it further. Now, you ARE the elephant. You have no fragmented knowledge about things like fan, wall, snake etc to contrast with yourself. You only know your whole being. You are the whole chabang! (?)

So the long story short, there is nothing wrong with maps, modeling the absolute. It can be fun and in fact helpful in cases. But at some point, taking those fragmented versions of wholeness like levels, facets etc too seriously can definitely be a trap due to inadvertance.

17 minutes ago, wk197 said:

Are you making fun of me?

 

Good god no!

[Gili Trawangan]

9 hours ago, Preetom said:

yes thats it. The unadulterated experience of your own self.

Notice how you described the 'downfall' part.

You know the ancient story of elephant and 5 blind men? Each man touching and experiencing different parts of the elephant and calling it a different thing. Like a tree trunk(legs), snake(tail), fan(ears), wall (body) etc.

Notice whats been going on. The actual real time experience of the elephant is genuine and whole. Its only when they try to explain it or map it out afterwards, that their knowledge gets heavily conditioned, fragmented and limited by the past knowledge graph(for example, in order to call it a tree one has to first have a conceptual idea about what a tree is).

This is the dilemma of all the disagreements among spiritual traditions, religions etc about the absolute or god. So the reason you couldn't frame it as 'love' which many others here are doing is simply the difference in past knowledge graph. That doesn't make your actual breakthrough any less than whole.

Now break that story and take it further. Now, you ARE the elephant. You have no fragmented knowledge about things like fan, wall, snake etc to contrast with yourself. You only know your whole being. You are the whole chabang! (?)

So the long story short, there is nothing wrong with maps, modeling the absolute. It can be fun and in fact helpful in cases. But at some point, taking those fragmented versions of wholeness like levels, facets etc too seriously can definitely be a trap due to inadvertance.

@Preetom That makes a lot of sense. Love is a concept that has never been prevalent throughout this character's life

Thanks!