What happens after death?

[AlphaAbundance]

In general and those who have become directly conscious of this what have you learned? 

[Aakash]

you will only understand if you understand what it means to be a self first

[Nahm]

@AlphaAbundance  Are you asking about your own death, or someone else’s? 

 That distinction is absolutely critical. 

[AlphaAbundance]

@Nahm Both

 

@Aakash@Nahm

In terms of physical body dying (assuming the go dies) where does  the trascendal self/awareness go? Like reintegrate with God? Reincarnate?

Edited April 3, 2019 by AlphaAbundance

[Aakash]

lol the self doesn't go anywhere it was just an idea, the belief that you are a human named alphaabundance is only a belief and so the idea dissappears into thin air upon death theoretically. 

ofcourse theres also the real point that it never existed in the first place, so it never happened and there is no death. 

[AlphaAbundance]

@Aakash I don't mean the Ego, we can assume that dissapears. I mean the True Self or No Self or Awareness that is God. Where does that go? Reintegrate into God? Reincarnate?

Edited April 3, 2019 by AlphaAbundance

[Nahm]

1 hour ago, AlphaAbundance said:

@Nahm Both.

How’d I know you’d say both? 

 

First, scenario A, your own death. What happens?

All is revealed, you are all, you always were, you are perfect, infinite. The life you just lived was not a life you just lived. It was nothing at all. Literally. Like when you wake up in the morning and recall a dream you had, but it fades away quickly. What was it? It’s gone, and it’s nothing. What is a dream really? Well, while the dream was occurring it was a dream. Once you woke up though, it’s as if it never did occur. It was Nothing. What are you really? Infinity. It’s crystal clear. It is what you are, so really, you can’t even say “it’s clear”. It IS you, and you have always, eternally, been you. 

 

Scenario B, someone else dies. What happens?

This scenario is harder to grasp I would assume. Not sure. So Jim is living, and Jim experienced that his close friend Bill died. What happens to Bill is scenario A.   So, what happens to Jim? Two scenarios:

 

Jim is asleep / has not realized no self / Oneness (let alone infinity, God, etc) (delusion / ego / etc):

Jim suffers big time. Jim suffers the loss of a “Bill”, via the thought stories which support that there was a “Bill”, a separate entity “Bill” who Jim no longer has around to be with. Jim also suffers via the thought story of what became of my buddy Bill? Did Bill slip into nonexistence? Did Bill go to hell? Did Bill fall into limbo? Purgatory? A dead mindless void? 

 

Jim is awake / has realized no self / Oneness (not necessarily enlightened / liberated / self realized, self actualized, etc):

Jim knows who Jim really is. So Jim knows who Bill really is. Jim knows fullwell who Jim and Bill actually are. From direct experience, I’d say Jim experience a bodily sensation which would be pretty tough to decipher, as to wether it is pain or sorrow. Jim morns like everyone else does - but without the thought stories, without the suffering. 

1 hour ago, AlphaAbundance said:

In terms of physical body dying (assuming the ego dies)

There is no such thing as physical separate bodies. That is a thought story.  Watch your own fingers throughout the day. Are you “doing” that? All those micro nuanced movements and intricacies? Are you sending hundreds of thought commands like move the third quarter of the ring finger, now move the last quarter of the index finger, now use the thumb at a 25 degree angle to grip the fork...   No.    You can literally watch the hands do stuff while knowing you are not doing anything. Appearance is not actuality. (Though ultimately it is)

where does  the trascendal self/awareness go?

Nowhere. It’s all you. You never left anywhere. You are reality,  “here”, “now”. (I use quotes because here and now are also mental appearance...projection, etc)

Like reintegrate with God?

There was never any separation to begin with. It looks like there is, it sounds like there is - it appears that there is. In actuality, there isn’t. Regular reality is mystical and magical. This is the fairytale. This is ‘it’.

Reincarnate

No. That’s another thought story. Occasionally though, a loving, useful one. 

 

[AlphaAbundance]

@Nahm Appreciation. My understanding has highly increased.

Does full on God care about pleasure, joy as we limited human do? (Even enlightened people cared to remove suffering) What if any are the differences between full on God after death of the body? And God awakening when in form?

Also why not just shoot yourself than? (I know this has been discussed but I believe Leo countered this by saying ego mind will reincarnate) It seems that after a few trips and awakenings to validate your spirtual understanding it would be most efficient to take a bullet to the skull. And whatever oh life is beautiful, oh contribute and embody this or that seems to have absolutely nothing on full pefection/god after your physical body dies. Also any disadvantage from moving from life to death would be an imperfection in after death (full god perfection) because it doesn't "offer" that.

Edited April 3, 2019 by AlphaAbundance