Hyper Normalisation.

[VeganAwake]

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Who is having that illusion? An illusion is an appearance that is not real. For an appearance that seems real exist, must be a subject who is deceived by that appearance, then realize that this was false and another thing is true. Who's saying that the self is an illusion?

Nobody is having an illusion & nobody is deceived. It's more like a misunderstanding or mistaken assumption.

"Illusion" is just a good word which seems to fit well.

The illusory self isn't replaced by something else that's true. 

It's just recognized as having never been real. The identification of being this self/me character is clearly seen as an illusory mis-identification........& that's it boom 💥 

Nothing is replaced as a new identification.

Nothing different is revealed or learned about reality, except that there isn't a "you or me" actually experiencing it.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

It's just recognized as having never been real. The identification of being this self/me character is clearly seen as an illusory mis-identification........& that's it boom 💥 

Nothing is replaced as a new identification.

Nothing different is revealed or learned about reality, except that there isn't a "you or me" actually experiencing it.

There is existence existing right? You could call it no self or as you want but existence exist and that is what you are. It's not an identification, it's a reality happening now. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

Nothing is replaced as a new identification.

Nothing different is revealed or learned about reality, except that there isn't a "you or me" actually experiencing it.

Enlightenment is not a new identification, is that you were closed in the darkness and you open yourself to the absolute light, that's why the name "enlightenment". It's because the closed state is dark, because the closure prevents the source of this exact moment manifests, be perceived, because it's closed in the shell of the ego, the survival system, but if the openess happens, the unlimited nature of existence is totally perceived and the perceptor and the perception are not different. 

[Joseph Maynor]

Hmm.  Man.